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Yes, I can absolutely believe that Preston fans are bitter about how he left and are now pretending that he wasn't the best manager they've had in the last 40 years, but that doesn't make it true.

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1 minute ago, honestman54 said:

I can assure that as a season ticket holder at PNE and attending many functions there he is not loved here due to his in activity and disregard for the club.

All well and good, but your previous point was dismantled and set on fire by Craigkillie.

I think Brendan Rodgers is a ratty b*****d but I can't disregard his success at the club.

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Advocaat would be a superb appointment! Him, Bilic and Clarke should be interviewed with the hope 1 of them will take it!

As much as Gemmill and Malky are in the frame I can't see them sitting round a table and saying "right so we are down to Advocaat, Bilic, Clarke, Gemmill and Malky, what you think lads, should we just go with Malky then aye? Ok, should work" Unless they are complete and utter useless twats...….. Oh wait, SHIT!

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1 hour ago, craigkillie said:

Do we have to go through this same dance every single time a new manager declares their interest?

Let me stop you right there.

 Yes.  Yes we do.

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1 hour ago, craigkillie said:

This is nonsense from start to finish.

Moyes took over from Gary Peters with Preston sitting in the bottom half of the Second Division (now League 1). He led them to a 5th placed finish and a play-off defeat in his first full season, then won the league at a canter in his second. The next year, he led them to 4th in the First Division (now Championship) and lost in the play-off final. When he left Preston in the March of the following season, they were sitting just outside the play-off places.

When he took over from Walter Smith at Everton, they were only outside the relegation places on goal difference, and had finished in the top half of the table just once in the last 10 years. He kept them up and took them to 7th the following season. He then struggled the following season and only just kept them up, but bounced back from that to lead them to 4th place in the table and a Champions League spot. He was there for a further eight seasons, and finished in the top 6 on another five occasions, only finishing in the bottom half (11th) once.

That almost sold me on Moyes.  I just don't know if he's "past his sell by date", or if his following appointments were freak show jobs at dysfunctional clubs.  What he did at Preston and Everton was nothing short of remarkable.  I'm all in, incidentally, on candidates who view the Scotland job as a means back into club management.  The alternative to that is, well, Alex McLeish.  

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2 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

That almost sold me on Moyes.  I just don't know if he's "past his sell by date", or if his following appointments were freak show jobs at dysfunctional clubs.  What he did at Preston and Everton was nothing short of remarkable.  I'm all in, incidentally, on candidates who view the Scotland job as a means back into club management.  The alternative to that is, well, Alex McLeish.  

The question (as I posed above) is whether he has lost whatever it was that he had in his Preston and Everton days, and whether he can come back from the multiple disappointments he's had since then. The weird thing is that he's only 56, so he still has time on his side.

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Cocu is the worst manager in the history of Fenerbahçe, he did a truly terrible job there despite great backing from the board.

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1 hour ago, craigkillie said:

The question (as I posed above) is whether he has lost whatever it was that he had in his Preston and Everton days, and whether he can come back from the multiple disappointments he's had since then. The weird thing is that he's only 56, so he still has time on his side.

He was alright with West Ham last season. They finished 13th, 33 points from 27 games under him after Bilic had been sacked in early November. Pellegrini hasn't done much better this season (11th, 43 points from 35) with a fair amount of backing in the market.

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Not sure if I’ve said this on here already (possibly ignored due to being shite) but what about Bielsa if Leeds don’t go up?

Not saying he would definitely leave them for us even if they stay down in any case.

Didn't he apply or at least show interest when McLeish was given the job???

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4 hours ago, honestman54 said:

As a Preston N E fan I can say that he was good there ONLY because he took on a team left by someone else.  He could not/did not bring players or the team on.  It was only on the word of Alex Ferguson that he got the MAN U job.  He did nothing at Everton except keep them where they were.  So imo he has not energy to motivate or develop teams so I couldnt see him do a Scotland job.

Shut up, he was eleven years at Everton with an average league position of 5th.  He did an absolutely stunning job there, utterly brilliant.

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6 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said:
1 hour ago, morrison1982 said:
That's complete nonsense. He had minimal backing because Fenerbahce were under FFP sanctions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46883617

It's not nonsense at all. I wasn't talking about financial backing. Koç stuck by him and praised him in the press long after he should have been emptied.

"Backing from the board" normally involves financial backing.

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2 hours ago, morrison1982 said:

He was alright with West Ham last season. They finished 13th, 33 points from 27 games under him after Bilic had been sacked in early November. Pellegrini hasn't done much better this season (11th, 43 points from 35) with a fair amount of backing in the market.

West Ham have had major injury problems throughout the season. There are usually at least 8 or 9 first-team players out for each game. 

Reid, Sanchez, Wilshire, Yarmolenko and Lanzini have missed most of the season. Pellegrini has done well without them. 

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It might not be so much of a he’s lost what he and so much as a football has moved on sort of thing with Moyes. Out of the Scottish candidates Moyes and Clarke are the standouts, not that the competition is any great shakes.

 

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3 minutes ago, Skinheed said:

So, after all this discussion, at least we've all agreed it should be  a Scot.

No we haven't.  It should be the best attainable candidate.

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7 minutes ago, Kuro said:

No we haven't.  It should be the best attainable candidate.

No, we all agreed when you were at your dinner.

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9 hours ago, craigkillie said:

The question (as I posed above) is whether he has lost whatever it was that he had in his Preston and Everton days, and whether he can come back from the multiple disappointments he's had since then. The weird thing is that he's only 56, so he still has time on his side.

This is it with Moyes.  I can't deny he's had success in the past, that much is obvious, but he's been utterly haunted since entering the Man Utd job.  He just seems a very...meh appointment.  He's not the worst shout by any means, but he's hardly exciting, particularly when there's the worry that, like you say, he's lost something.

Plus I always worry about semi-successful club managers coming into this role.  It's never a guarantee of quality at International level.  I'd like to see him get a few more jobs at club level.  He's still relatively young, like you say, so maybe the job is a target in the future once he's further rebuilt his reputation.

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6 minutes ago, forameus said:

This is it with Moyes.  I can't deny he's had success in the past, that much is obvious, but he's been utterly haunted since entering the Man Utd job.  He just seems a very...meh appointment.  He's not the worst shout by any means, but he's hardly exciting, particularly when there's the worry that, like you say, he's lost something.

Plus I always worry about semi-successful club managers coming into this role.  It's never a guarantee of quality at International level.  I'd like to see him get a few more jobs at club level.  He's still relatively young, like you say, so maybe the job is a target in the future once he's further rebuilt his reputation.

The thing is he only needs to rebuild his reputation in your eyes.  And maybe you're wrong.  I don't think he's done a bad job in any job he's ever had, and is an extremely competent manager.  He would be a very solid appointment, and on paper the best manager we've had since Alex Ferguson and Stein before him.

Interesting fact about Moyes his dad was manager at Petershill or something for fkn years.  

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