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1 hour ago, Savage Henry said:

 


Ross County made a big deal of allowing the under 14s play at the Global Arena a while back. Most fans seemed to see it as a great thing. It looked brutal, with these wee kids walloping the ball as far as they could and everyone else chasing it.

 

Going back to my own Boys brigade, school team and boys club days, although we all played 11 a side on full size pitches from around 11 - 16, (including grim red blaze with the dreaded Mitre Mouldmaster) we did also spend hours and hours playing and training in 5 a side and 7 a side matches using the small pitches. There were also lots of indoor tournaments of 5 a sides which encouraged pass and move and ball control where it was the head height rule. Not to mention out playing "volleys and heids" regularly with a couple of your pals.

I'm kind of out of touch with kids nowadays, however I'd assume they still play 5's etc pretty regularly ??

I know we're not exactly at the forefront of cutting edge training methods in this country, however I think people paint a far darker picture and try to change history when it suits them at times (nothing against anyone on this thread by the way) and maybe the reasons we're not producing the players that we once did is more a social thing, where less kids are playing football in their spare time and maybe everything at our youth clubs and football clubs is in fact too structured and rigid and not allowing kids to express themselves ??

Who knows, just a thought.

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6 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Going back to my own Boys brigade, school team and boys club days, although we all played 11 a side on full size pitches from around 11 - 16, (including grim red blaze with the dreaded Mitre Mouldmaster) we did also spend hours and hours playing and training in 5 a side and 7 a side matches using the small pitches. There were also lots of indoor tournaments of 5 a sides which encouraged pass and move and ball control where it was the head height rule. Not to mention out playing "volleys and heids" regularly with a couple of your pals.

I'm kind of out of touch with kids nowadays, however I'd assume they still play 5's etc pretty regularly ??

I know we're not exactly at the forefront of cutting edge training methods in this country, however I think people paint a far darker picture and try to change history when it suits them at times (nothing against anyone on this thread by the way) and maybe the reasons we're not producing the players that we once did is more a social thing, where less kids are playing football in their spare time and maybe everything at our youth clubs and football clubs is in fact too structured and rigid and not allowing kids to express themselves ??

Who knows, just a thought.

I'm out of touch with it too, although my nephew gives me pretty unreliable reports on what the coaches do and don't do at schools.  My post was more referring to the fact that very few people - including the coaches - had an issue with little kids whacking the ball three feet above the goalkeeper from 6 yards, having first played the ball up the length of the park in as few passes as possible.  In fact, most folk seemed to think it was progressive.  

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19 hours ago, M0rtonfc said:

His work with Croatia at international should have him at the top of the pile regardless of his failed club work IMO, it's a different gig, I know where your coming from tho. He's a manager that would be different from what we have ever went with, one that the majority of the fans wouldn't have the pitchforks out hours after his appointment, I just feel he might be the kind of appointment that would fit in well. I'm all for Clarke too  by the way and wouldn't be angry at Moyes either, just saying I think he should be 1 of the front runners, no doubts about it.

Yes, I'd be happy with any of those three to be honest.

Bilic also has that bit of charisma which has maybe been missing since the days of Super Ally, although I'm not saying we're going to win a World Cup or anything..........

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4 minutes ago, Savage Henry said:

I'm out of touch with it too, although my nephew gives me pretty unreliable reports on what the coaches do and don't do at schools.  My post was more referring to the fact that very few people - including the coaches - had an issue with little kids whacking the ball three feet above the goalkeeper from 6 yards, having first played the ball up the length of the park in as few passes as possible.  In fact, most folk seemed to think it was progressive.  

Yes, I'd agree that type of football is just pointless and seems more like an easy option for the coaches.

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I wish the SFA would just hurry up and appoint Gemmil and/or Mackay.

We all know that's what happening.

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Anyone mentioned Cocu yet? Has won 3 Eredivisie titles as manager, had 2 spells as assistant in the national team and played at the top level. Might be looking to rebuild his reputation after a disastrous spell in Turkey.

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2 hours ago, craigkillie said:

I was confused by this, because my understanding was that children aged 9-12 were now playing 9 a side football  in 7 a side goals, something which was introduced by the SFA after a pilot. I'm not saying there aren't still kids that age playing in full-size goals, but this is definitely not encouraged by the SFA, and I certainly know that youth leagues in Ayrshire made the change at least a couple of years ago.

I've looked through the Youth Football Scotland twitter page, and there are some photos and videos of kids that age playing with what appear to be full sized goals, but those videos are from youth tournaments in the Netherlands and Barcelona - two places lauded for their "modern and progressive" ideas.

From what I've seen and heard, what's recommended and what happens in practice are two different things. IMO nobody should be using full-sized goals until they've reached the age at which they stop growing in height - so about 15. An 8-feet high goal is massive.

2 hours ago, forameus said:

I'd imagine part of him's pretty big, whether it's his boaby or just his wallet.  Despite looking like a testicle, he's fairly popular with the ladies.

 

Is it really necessary?  This isn't learning the piano or something, they know football.  If someone comes in and actually wants to get fired in to the job, they could probably learn about as much as the Scottish managers know with a weekend at the DVDs.  

f**k it, you could call the same squad up as last time and probably manage them to a decent result without knowing any other players.

I just mean in terms of the psychology of the players, and understanding things like the issues with those who are more reluctant to join the squad these days. I think there's a need for a lot of personal skills and sensitivity from the next Scotland manager, someone who knows the players and what type of people they are. In general I couldn't care less if the Scotland manager was Scottish or not, it's just that this time, with the team at a more vulnerable point than I can remember, they could use a steady and known quantity in charge.

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5 hours ago, Dons_1988 said:

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I don't mind people saying Rangers collapse assisted us to finish 2nd etc but it boils my piss when someone mentions our points tally over 4 years and someone says 'aye but Rangers...'

Just a wild coincidence that your increased points tally coincidenced with Hearts and Rangers financial implosions and a relegated Hibs. 

 

It's almost like you were able to offer the second best package in the country while ever other premiership side had to downsize, wild. 

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8 minutes ago, Grant228 said:

Just a wild coincidence that your increased points tally coincidenced with Hearts and Rangers financial implosions and a relegated Hibs. 

 

It's almost like you were able to offer the second best package in the country while ever other premiership side had to downsize, wild. 

coincidence that coincidenced? Nice one.

You're struggling with the distinction between finishing 2nd and the highest points tally outwith OF for several years, 4 years running. Only one season that was without Hearts, Hibs and Rangers, and we achieved it last season with all three in the league.

So I'm struggling to see your point here.

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1 hour ago, lanky_ffc said:

Anyone mentioned Cocu yet? Has won 3 Eredivisie titles as manager, had 2 spells as assistant in the national team and played at the top level. Might be looking to rebuild his reputation after a disastrous spell in Turkey.

Interesting shout, but doubt he'd want it tbh.

Why did he leave PSV? Did he not win the league that same season?

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2 hours ago, RobbieD said:

Clearly you've never been anywhere around the world.

Real Madrid are the biggest supported team in the world and could buy Man Utd tomorrow.  There's no dispute, they are by far the world's number one club.  Thirteen CL wins doesn't lie, all the best players in the world, every transfer record.  Man Utd aren't even close to them, not even in the same league.  You won't see Ashley fucking Young captaining Real Madrid any time soon.  Man Utd aren't even second.

Remind me again, was it Real Madrid or Man Utd that just won the CL for the third time in a row?

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Stellaboz said:

They're top ten, not top though.

Man Utd could make a case for second though personally Barcelona for me, but theyre definitely not first, not even close.

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Incredibly off topic, but yep, Real Madrid are, and always have been, the top bois.  No matter what Sky Sports say.

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5 minutes ago, Kuro said:

Man Utd could make a case for second though personally Barcelona for me, but theyre definitely not first, not even close.

It's generally based on current MCAP and bears no real relation to the relative success of the club or indeed the support size, although this is of course indirectly impacts the value.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2018/06/12/the-worlds-most-valuable-soccer-teams-2018/#432c97f745c8

 

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4 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

It's generally based on current MCAP and bears no real relation to the relative success of the club or indeed the support size, although this is of course indirectly impacts the value.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2018/06/12/the-worlds-most-valuable-soccer-teams-2018/#432c97f745c8

 

Generally based on by whom?  It's always based on success, and Real Madrid wipe the floor with everybody else when it comes to that.  Supported base is a factor too, and they win there as well.  They've won the CL more than  Man Utd, Liverpool and Juventus put together.  They are unquestionably the world's number one club, it's not even close.

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7 minutes ago, Kuro said:

Generally based on by whom?  It's always based on success, and Real Madrid wipe the floor with everybody else when it comes to that.  Supported base is a factor too, and they win there as well.  They've won the CL more than  Man Utd, Liverpool and Juventus put together.  They are unquestionably the world's number one club, it's not even close.

It's the mcap which is the Market capitalisation which is basically the stock market value of the club.

As I say, it's open to interpretation and is a fluid situation depending on the daily stock movements and doesn't take anything like a clubs history or support etc into account.

This is always an emotive subject though as in Scottish terms you could easily argue that Raith Rovers are a bigger club than Inverness, however currently they are playing in a league below, have a poorer support and a far smaller budget, so are they ??

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1 minute ago, WATTOO said:

It's the mcap which is the Market capitalisation which is basically the stock market value of the club.

As I say, it's open to interpretation and is a fluid situation depending on the daily stock movements and doesn't take anything like a clubs history or support etc into account.

This is always an emotive subject though as in Scottish terms you could easily argue that Raith Rovers are a bigger club than Inverness, however currently they are playing in a league below, have a poorer support and a far smaller budget, so are they ??

Who cares?  

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5 minutes ago, Kuro said:

Who cares?  

I thought you did, that's why I was trying to explain it...............

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