paddymcp Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Why is it that Steve Clarke is seen as a much better candidate than Davie Moyes? Clarkes organisation/structure to teams is being discussed as a strength and perhaps what we need and yet Moyes is being seen as backwards despite him basically making his career on they fundamentals. Moyes obviously isn’t flavour of the month but apart from the poison chalace at Sunderland he’s actually done relatively well everywhere he’s been. Even his much maligned reign at Man Utd stands up to scrunity with precious recent managers post Ferguson. He has much more experience in front line management, articulates himself better , appears more enthusiastic and generally seems more positive than Steve Clarke. In summary: Moyes over Clarke for me. If that’s the choice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, forameus said: A good foreign manager would. I'm not saying that he'll be better because he's foreign, it's more a comment that if the SFA stick to their Scottish-only approach, then we have an absolute gang of shite on the list. I don’t buy this. I see fans on here saying we have a better players than the likes of Northern Ireland and all we need is a decent manager. Then I look at that team who played Kazakhstan and I think those people talk shite. We have a load of okay midfielders and that’s about it. The new guy will have the same ropey defence and ‘keeper and the same lack of decent forwards to choose from. Good luck to him, he’ll need it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said: David Wagner the ex Huddersfield manager? Fresh ideas and a guy who’s used to organising shite players into a system? I think he'll be holding out for a Premiership job. Could see someone taking a gamble on him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Minertaur Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Current odds - Spoiler David Moyes - 5/1 Gordon Strachan - 6/1 Steve Clarke - 8/1 Derek McInnes - 10/1 Craig Levein - 12/1 Michael Appleton - 14/1 Steve Evans - 14/1 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnHearts Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 It's got to be Moyes, surely. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, Scary Bear said: I don’t buy this. I see fans on here saying we have a better players than the likes of Northern Ireland and all we need is a decent manager. Then I look at that team who played Kazakhstan and I think those people talk shite. We have a load of okay midfielders and that’s about it. The new guy will have the same ropey defence and ‘keeper and the same lack of decent forwards to choose from. Good luck to him, he’ll need it. Northern Ireland have Cathcart and Evans in defence, I think that's the only area where they have an advantage over us as they are both established good level Premier League defenders. That probably is the most important area of the park to compete internationally though. I'd say apart from that, we are better but just very inexperienced at international level with loads of players coming through right now and we don't really have an established spine with a couple of centre backs and a defensive midfielder giving us some rigidity. Bates, McKenna, Souttar, McTominay are all good players but just not quite where we need them to be IMO. The only way that'll change is if they play games and get experience at this level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, kenny131 said: Malky Mackay will get the job.......this site will go into meltdown. I hope when malky is offically announced there is utter uproar and protests at hampden This was said a lot before Eck's appointment, and the SFA took the ever so slightly more imaginative route (I'm not saying it was imaginative in the slightest, but if there was a scale getting a new face in is 0.0000001 points more imaginative) of getting McLeish in. This time though, I can see this happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, harry94 said: Northern Ireland have Cathcart and Evans in defence, I think that's the only area where they have an advantage over us as they are both established good level Premier League defenders. That probably is the most important area of the park to compete internationally though. I'd say apart from that, we are better but just very inexperienced at international level with loads of players coming through right now and we don't really have an established spine with a couple of centre backs and a defensive midfielder giving us some rigidity. Bates, McKenna, Souttar, McTominay are all good players but just not quite where we need them to be IMO. The only way that'll change is if they play games and get experience at this level. Kyle Lafferty would be starting for Scotland too, to be fair. But with a competent manager, I'd take Scotland to beat Northern Ireland 8 games out of ten. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, harry94 said: Northern Ireland have Cathcart and Evans in defence, I think that's the only area where they have an advantage over us as they are both established good level Premier League defenders. That probably is the most important area of the park to compete internationally though. I'd say apart from that, we are better but just very inexperienced at international level with loads of players coming through right now and we don't really have an established spine with a couple of centre backs and a defensive midfielder giving us some rigidity. Bates, McKenna, Souttar, McTominay are all good players but just not quite where we need them to be IMO. The only way that'll change is if they play games and get experience at this level. As you say, central defence is a fairly key area. As is goalkeeper and having a regular dependable goalscorer would be nice too. You can’t make a team with two left backs and some midfielders. Well, not one that’s going to do anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestersKTID Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 If it's got to be a Scottish choice then Moyes. Clarke if not at Killie would've been the other option. Wonder if Allardyce would take it, maybe wouldn't be the best football to watch but we'd be organised. Tartan army would probably boak at the thought of an englishman in charge tho. Otherwise go for an out the box foreigner. Vogts get's pelters but he got us to a playoff and with an arguably inferior group of players. The squad now is surely better? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, PrestersKTID said: If it's got to be a Scottish choice then Moyes. Clarke if not at Killie would've been the other option. Wonder if Allardyce would take it, maybe wouldn't be the best football to watch but we'd be organised. Tartan army would probably boak at the thought of an englishman in charge tho. Otherwise go for an out the box foreigner. Vogts get's pelters but he got us to a playoff and with an arguably inferior group of players. The squad now is surely better? Doesn't he have Scottish parents? That'd make him more "eligible" than some of the players we've called up to be fair. Expect there would be a fair few fannies wetting their knickers over it though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 49 minutes ago, harry94 said: That's true. I'm quite scared of a repeat of the Berti Vogts type scenario where we get a big name with a couple of achievements but don't pay proper attention to what the fans were saying about them (i.e. that he was a terrible manager who fluked some success). It's pretty alarming people suggesting Klinsmann as it's basically the same story but I'd argue it's even worse (he's rated as a 'motivator' and given credit for developing youth, not tangible at all, with the US and is rated as a dreadful tactician everywhere he has been). Hervé Renard would maybe be the one managerial appointment we could make with extensive international experience who would be obtainable but then you could argue that his specialty is knowing Africa really well. The Scandinavian ones aren't obtainable IMO and then there's just a few in Eastern Europe. If anyone on here says Klinsmann and means it they should have their account deleted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swing_kinker Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I think it needs to be a likeable character to unite fans. Not the most important factor in the long term but we simply need a good feeling back quick sharp. Big Sam would be a disaster on that front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 What's Paulo Sergio (No, not the P&B one!) up to these days? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 What's Paulo Sergio (No, not the P&B one!) up to these days? Managing Sanat Naft in Iran 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, GNU_Linux said: 8 minutes ago, sjc said: What's Paulo Sergio (No, not the P&B one!) up to these days? Managing Sanat Naft in Iran Pity. Anyone that could get performances out of Ian Black clearly has decent management skills. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Kyle Lafferty would be starting for Scotland too, to be fair. No he wouldn't. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Tammy 1297 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 55 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: No he wouldn't. Would got capped though if he was at some point Just lucky we got Harper and Shanklund waiting in the wings and Grithhias training again Next squad we might have real fire power in it add Fletcher back in to if he is still in a purple patch -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Daily Record bang on the money as per usual, I see! https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47731376 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, PrestersKTID said: Otherwise go for an out the box foreigner. Vogts get's pelters but he got us to a playoff and with an arguably inferior group of players. The squad now is surely better? Getting us to a play-off is not how to judge a manager. Vogts finished ahead of Lithuania, Iceland and the Faroes in that group, and even then he stumbled over the line. If you transported the current version of Alex McLeish back, he'd probably also still finish 2nd in that group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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