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If we appoint any of the following:
Moyes
Mackay
Strachan
Lambert
Or any other Scottish gammons of that ilk then I am fucking done 
Some imagination, at least, please
I wonder if McInnes might fancy it. Dandies job probably still too cushty though. 
What makes Lambert a "Scottish gammon" but not McInnes? They're roughly the same age and have both had successes and failures in their career.

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I think the SFA will speak to Clarke and i'm hoping he tells them to shove it, David Moyes will be the man i think that would take it, knowing the SFA they will probably be looking at Stuart McCall.

Personally i'm with a few folk here who said try the foreign approach but id imagine that will not be a popular choice with the boys club in Hampden.

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37 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
1 hour ago, Frank Grimes said:
If we appoint any of the following:
Moyes
Mackay
Strachan
Lambert
Or any other Scottish gammons of that ilk then I am fucking done 
Some imagination, at least, please
I wonder if McInnes might fancy it. Dandies job probably still too cushty though. 

What makes Lambert a "Scottish gammon" but not McInnes? They're roughly the same age and have both had successes and failures in their career.

McInnes has had one failing in his career, and even then his hands were tied at Bristol 

Lambert fucked it at Villa, Stoke and currently overseeing Ipswich’s relegation to League One

I’m not saying he’s a realistic candidate, just an example of track records we shouldn’t be considering for the Scotland job 

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Fairly confident in saying that if we hire a Scottish manager again, we're fucked.  There just aren't any options (Clarke maybe, although I think he'd do a far better job staying at Killie) in that group that will make any kind of difference.

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What makes Lambert a "Scottish gammon" but not McInnes? They're roughly the same age and have both had successes and failures in their career.

 

Paul Lambert gets a rough ride. I think that’s partly due to managerial failures and also he comes across as a bit dour in interviews.

 

McInnes is much more media friendly.

 

Both have shown ambition and managed to be relatively successful abroad as players. Both haven’t won that much as managers.

 

Either would probably do if we’re going for another Scottish Manager.

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Fairly confident in saying that if we hire a Scottish manager again, we're fucked.  There just aren't any options (Clarke maybe, although I think he'd do a far better job staying at Killie) in that group that will make any kind of difference.

 

Would a foreign manager make our current pool of players become better?

 

Clarke could be another Levein in that he’s got a club punching above their weight, has issues with the authorities and hasn’t won a thing.

 

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8 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

 

Would a foreign manager make our current pool of players become better?

 

Clarke could be another Levein in that he’s got a club punching above their weight, has issues with the authorities and hasn’t won a thing.

 

A good foreign manager would.  I'm not saying that he'll be better because he's foreign, it's more a comment that if the SFA stick to their Scottish-only approach, then we have an absolute gang of shite on the list.

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7 minutes ago, forameus said:

A good foreign manager would.  I'm not saying that he'll be better because he's foreign, it's more a comment that if the SFA stick to their Scottish-only approach, then we have an absolute gang of shite on the list.

The problem might be, unless the SFA have a pile of cash hidden somewhere, that by extending the search beyond a Scottish manager (which we did try to do last time) we just extend the 'gang of shite' on the list to include mediocre (at best) managers from all over the world. 

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10 minutes ago, forameus said:

A good foreign manager would.  I'm not saying that he'll be better because he's foreign, it's more a comment that if the SFA stick to their Scottish-only approach, then we have an absolute gang of shite on the list.

Their "Scottish-only approach" involved putting all their eggs in the basket of a non-Scot the last time it was available.

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3 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

Their "Scottish-only approach" involved putting all their eggs in the basket of a non-Scot the last time it was available.

That's fair, although they still managed to f**k it up, at which point they reverted to type.  

He's the type we need though, even if there was questions about whether he just hit into a purple patch that he wouldn't be able to replicate with us.  He would've certainly been significantly better than what we ended up getting.

4 minutes ago, SpoonTon said:

The problem might be, unless the SFA have a pile of cash hidden somewhere, that by extending the search beyond a Scottish manager (which we did try to do last time) we just extend the 'gang of shite' on the list to include mediocre (at best) managers from all over the world. 


Also fair.  But don't we actually pay quite well considering our stature?  I'm sure that was banded about when we were looking last time.  Granted we're not going to be getting someone in on Capello money, but I'm sure there's funds there.

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As a Dons fan I think McInnes would be a good appointment.  He speaks very well and that certainly, in his first couple seasons at Pittodrie, went a long way to help galvanize a support that had been depressed with watching teams of Mcghee's and Brown's before him.  He's been with us for almost 6 years now and might fancy a new challenge. There has been growing hostility within the support towards him in recent seasons, some fair and at other times over the top which might represent a good time for him to move on. Criticisms have come most noticeably from performances in the big games and under-reliance on youth but those have had some degree of rectification recently. He definitely knows how to make a team well organized though and I think right now that is was Scotland needs.  I also think we need to look at all available options and not just within Scotland but McInnes has definitely transformed the way football operations is conducted at Aberdeen so perhaps he can do it again with the national team. I would personally keep him for as long as he was still happy here but I know others don't share that view. 

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5 minutes ago, forameus said:


Also fair.  But don't we actually pay quite well considering our stature?  I'm sure that was banded about when we were looking last time.  Granted we're not going to be getting someone in on Capello money, but I'm sure there's funds there.

We do in terms of international football, but we'd still struggle to compete with club football. 

It's also worth remembering that Capello was a bit of a (very expensive) disaster of an international manager, especially with Russia. I'm all for casting a wide net, but I'm not convinced about how much is out there. 

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3 minutes ago, SpoonTon said:

We do in terms of international football, but we'd still struggle to compete with club football. 

It's also worth remembering that Capello was a bit of a (very expensive) disaster of an international manager, especially with Russia. I'm all for casting a wide net, but I'm not convinced about how much is out there. 

I think Capello was always going to be a disaster.  Tremendous club manager, well decorated, but had never been really tested at International level.  Surprise, surprise, he wasn't very good.  Serviceable with England, but the Russia one stank, and he clearly gave not one solitary shit throughout.  

The key there is not to expect a decent club manager to be a decent international manager.  It can of course happen, and you get those that can adapt pretty well between them, but it isn't always guaranteed.

But the list of "international specialists" that aren't already in a job or would be "gettable" is probably absolutely tiny.

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57 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:

 

Paul Lambert gets a rough ride. I think that’s partly due to managerial failures and also he comes across as a bit dour in interviews.

 

McInnes is much more media friendly.

 

Both have shown ambition and managed to be relatively successful abroad as players. Both haven’t won that much as managers.

 

Either would probably do if we’re going for another Scottish Manager.

McInnes wasn’t successful abroad as a player. I didn’t think he’d even gone abroad but it appears he did play 3 games for Toulouse. I assume you’re thinking of someone else.

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I'm assuming it's going to be a Scottish manager, although that's not really something I agree with.  The dominant view seems to be it should be a Scottish manager.

The obvious route would be an out of work guy looking to get a job before returning to club management.  David Moyes would tick those boxes.

Paul Lambert has just got another club job, otherwise he'd be short odds favourite.  Steve Clarke would be a decent if unspectacular choice, but I'm not at all convinced he'd take it.

Gordon Strachan would be a retrograde appointment, but I could imagine him getting a temporary gig.

I wouldn't be at all opposed to somebody from the current England system, but I have no idea who that might be.    Neil Lennon at the end of the season wouldn't be the worst appointment in the world.

In short, it's going to be Strachan or Moyes and nobody is going to be thrilled.

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14 minutes ago, forameus said:

I think Capello was always going to be a disaster.  Tremendous club manager, well decorated, but had never been really tested at International level.  Surprise, surprise, he wasn't very good.  Serviceable with England, but the Russia one stank, and he clearly gave not one solitary shit throughout.  

The key there is not to expect a decent club manager to be a decent international manager.  It can of course happen, and you get those that can adapt pretty well between them, but it isn't always guaranteed.

But the list of "international specialists" that aren't already in a job or would be "gettable" is probably absolutely tiny.

That's true.

I'm quite scared of a repeat of the Berti Vogts type scenario where we get a big name with a couple of achievements but don't pay proper attention to what the fans were saying about them (i.e. that he was a terrible manager who fluked some success). It's pretty alarming people suggesting Klinsmann as it's basically the same story but I'd argue it's even worse (he's rated as a 'motivator' and given credit for developing youth, not tangible at all, with the US and is rated as a dreadful tactician everywhere he has been).

Hervé Renard would maybe be the one managerial appointment we could make with extensive international experience who would be obtainable but then you could argue that his specialty is knowing Africa really well. The Scandinavian ones aren't obtainable IMO and then there's just a few in Eastern Europe.

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