harry94 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Clarke's record is a win over Cyprus then two defeats to the world no 1 and then Russia who went out the World Cup quarter finals on penalties. I know it's been pretty dire but it's not totally uncommon for a new international manager to take a fair number of beatings before turning things round and the time he's spent with the team is very small. I'd be much more worried if we lose to Kazakhstan next month. For me, he's been left with the legacy of McLeish in not really having a proper defensive game plan which is your number 1 priority in international football if you are to be competitive. It's been a problem for more than a decade and has been getting worse, Strachan had various parts of his management where he managed to put together decent runs when his defensive options were on good form (Hanley and Martin for the first part) but it seems to be that we are just overly dependent on players having to make big steps up from the levels they play at club football. I wouldn't lose the head yet but I think he needs to take a think about Mulgrew. I get why he's playing to try and provide an experienced partner but he's not good enough to elevate anyone's performance and he's been pretty dire the start of this season for Wigan. I'd rather he just ditches that and goes with a couple of younger guys who are maybe raw but at least theoretically capable of handling the physical side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB_Bino Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Continually selecting dung like Stephen O'Donnell will be his downfall. No it won’t, once fit, that’s how he’ll get Tierney into the side and O’Donnell will make way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Barry Ferguson's Hat said: The only scenario where I'd be in favour of Clarke getting punted so soon would be if Scotland Gemmill was to suddenly become available. 4 minutes ago, Dele said: Continually selecting dung like Stephen O'Donnell will be his downfall. I'd be sounding out Neil McCann. Fucking hell. holly fucking f**k . what the fucking f**k is wrong with you fucking c***s. don't fucking post on here again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Is Tierney ever going to be fit again? If he is, that’s right back sorted. If not, we’re fucked. Can we manage to cobble together a centre back pairing and keep that pairing together to try and get it ready for the play-offs? Cooper and ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 When we managed to beat Slovakia 1-0 in October 2017, when we were looking like a competitive side again, this was the team. If we can just get a bit of confidence into the team then you never know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: Fucking hell. holly fucking f**k . what the fucking f**k is wrong with you fucking c***s. don't fucking post on here again 6 minutes is no too bad. I'll take that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I think we all know there are deeper problems in the way Scottish football is run and the way Scottish society has been shaped that no Scotland manager could ever possibly fix. I don't think we are likely to get a better manager than Clarke. For me the sensible option is to completely write off this qualification group (and probably the next one too) and use them to bring through a team of players who despite limited talent can learn to play together in a system that works at our level. While that's in progress, give the team a personality. Make us we're-shite-and-we-know-we-are mad b*****ds who never give up and kick anything that moves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A96 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) Gg 2 hours ago, nsr said: I think we all know there are deeper problems in the way Scottish football is run and the way Scottish society has been shaped that no Scotland manager could ever possibly fix. I don't think we are likely to get a better manager than Clarke. For me the sensible option is to completely write off this qualification group (and probably the next one too) and use them to bring through a team of players who despite limited talent can learn to play together in a system that works at our level. While that's in progress, give the team a personality. Make us we're-shite-and-we-know-we-are mad b*****ds who never give up and kick anything that moves. Wouldn’t argue with that. The first step has to be to make us harder to beat, and more specifically to make opponents have to work to score against us. I don’t think there’s any reason to believe that there’s any other available manager out there better placed than Clarke to achieve that. So he needs to be given far more time than others have been afforded to stop the rot and get us competing in every match. At this point in time it’s completely unrealistic to make qualification for the World Cup or Euros the target for him to keep the job. Worth bearing in mind that Northern Ireland won only one of their first 18 matches under Michael O’Neill and I think Wales initially struggled under Chris Coleman. Like it or not , these are the sort of nations we need to be comparing ourselves with at the moment. A massive part of their success in recent years has been to make their national team feel more like a club side, by fostering a genuine team spirit. That has to be part of Clarke’s remit. So from now on any player who comes out with the sort of comment that McBurnie apparently made recently should , in my view , be left out. ETA ........That Hamden should be ditched as the venue for home games. , in favour of a single smaller venue like Tynecastle , which would be my choice. (at least until we become truly competitive again). I was flicking over to watch the Northern Ireland game last night and the atmosphere in their game was tremendous. I think the capacity at Windsor Park is about 18,000. I reckon that settling on a single smaller stadium , rather than taking games round various venues , would be more conducive to creating a club mentality for the national team. Edited September 10, 2019 by A96 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 751 22.03.2017 Edinburgh Canada D 1- 1 752 26.03.2017 Glasgow Slovenia W 1- 0 WCq 753 10.06.2017 Glasgow England D 2- 2 WCq 754 01.09.2017 Vilnius Lithuania W 3- 0 WCq 755 04.09.2017 Glasgow Malta W 2- 0 WCq 756 05.10.2017 Glasgow Slovakia W 1- 0 WCq 757 08.10.2017 Ljubljana Slovenia D 2- 2 WCq 758 09.11.2017 Aberdeen Netherlands L 0- 1 759 23.03.2018 Glasgow Costa Rica L 0- 1 760 27.03.2018 Budapest Hungary W 1- 0 761 29.05.2018 Lima Peru L 0- 2 762 02.06.2018 Mexico City Mexico L 0- 1 763 07.09.2018 Glasgow Belgium L 0- 4 764 10.09.2018 Glasgow Albania W 2- 0 UNL 14 765 11.10.2018 Haifa Israel L 1- 2 UNL 766 14.10.2018 Glasgow Portugal L 1- 3 767 17.11.2018 Shkoder Albania W 4- 0 UNL 768 20.11.2018 Glasgow Israel W 3- 2 UNL 769 21.03.2019 Astana Kazakhstan L 0- 3 ECq 15 770 24.03.2019 Serravalle San Marino W 2- 0 ECq 771 08.06.2019 Glasgow Cyprus W 2- 1 ECq 772 11.06.2019 Brussels Belgium L 0- 3 ECq Over the last 2 years we should be in no doubt where Scotland is in terms of levels. The teams we should beat and the teams we shouldn't beat. Getting a draw against Russia on Friday would have been progress. Getting back to that form we had in 2017 should be the aim for Steve Clarke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 No more crap Scottish managers it’s not working 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 8 losses in our last 13 is bad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IggyStooge Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 It's actually eight losses in fourteen... so it's not all bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 No more crap Scottish managers it’s not working Only crap foreign managers from now on, please. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 No more crap Scottish managers it’s not working That’s as dumb as saying we can’t have a foreigner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaFifer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 22 hours ago, DAVIDB69 said: No more crap Scottish managers it’s not working Got to laugh at people coming out with this garbage, Clark is hands down the best we could have got, and he needs time, O' Neil took about 18 games before he got a win. Clark's had 4 games, two v Belgium and one v Russia, we beat Cyprus... Typical Scotland knee-jerk reaction that some want to bin Clark and bring it yet another manager, what would that achieve? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 He must win the Playoffs. There is no ifs and buts. If he continues to pick the same players because they're "big names" or play for "big clubs" and they continue to fail like they have for previous managers then there is no one else to blame but Clark 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Antiochas III said: He must win the Playoffs. There is no ifs and buts. If he continues to pick the same players because they're "big names" or play for "big clubs" and they continue to fail like they have for previous managers then there is no one else to blame but Clark Who else should he pick? And what "big names" are you talking about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 He must win the Playoffs. There is no ifs and buts. If he continues to pick the same players because they're "big names" or play for "big clubs" and they continue to fail like they have for previous managers then there is no one else to blame but ClarkYou want him to drop Andy Robertson? [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing.McCrosby Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 3 hours ago, velo army said: Who else should he pick? And what "big names" are you talking about? Matt Philips 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Who else should he pick? And what "big names" are you talking about? Scott McTominay is quite a big name...15 letters long. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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