Ira Gaines Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) Imagine how much of a defeatist attitude someone must have, to look at teams that have reached a major tournament recently, and then look at Scotland's squad and say "nah, they're not good enough". Edited May 20, 2019 by Principal Flutie 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleksandr Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Good appointment, not sure our squad is good enough to get to a tournament but if anyone can then Clark can. Hopefully chooses more SPFL players rather than folk on their holidays 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishZizou Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, TrebleTwenty said: I was expecting you to come away with a Mulgrew type solution, that probably would of been better that have no idea what so ever. So if you don't have a solution, it is probably best you don't slag off what we currently have. What are you talking about? I never set myself up as the brains trust to solve all of Scotland’s difficulties. My point was that often international managers are hamstrung by the quality of players they have. There are clear exceptions to the rule and I hope Steve Clarke is capable of getting a squad with let’s be honest not great centre backs and strikers to a major tournament. If anyone is capable then he should be 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Principal Flutie said: Imagine how much of a defeatist attitude someone must have, to look at teams that have reached a major tournament recently, and then look at Scotland's squad and say "nah, they're not good enough". Surely it's based on evidence rather than defeatism? They qualified for those tournaments, we didn't, and it'd be a bit arrogant to say "we're better than you." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Great appointment ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, GordonS said: Surely it's based on evidence rather than defeatism? They qualified for those tournaments, we didn't, and it'd be a bit arrogant to say "we're better than you." It's not about simply being better. It's about being competitive, and the players believing they can be better than their opponents. These countries got there because they had the belief that our shitebag managers didn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, Principal Flutie said: It's not about simply being better. It's about being competitive, and the players believing they can be better than their opponents. These countries got there because they had the belief that our shitebag managers didn't. And by having better players. Gordon Strachan is a decent manager. He didn't make the last 16 of the Champions League twice, with less resources than his predecessor, by being a shitebag. He beat teams like Man Utd and Milan. In fact it took a Kaka wondergoal in extra time to knock them out. Yeah, we can do more than we have, worse teams than ours have done it and with 24 countries qualifying for Euros a decent number of middling teams are always going to make it. Stevie Clarke has shown that he can get a squad of players to overachieve. We've no chance of making a World Cup any time soon though. The reason the men have qualified for nothing in 21 years (and counting) isn't luck and it isn't due to an endless succession of bad managers. It's because other teams beat us fair and square. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Arrogance would be saying we’re much better than Northern Ireland, well skoosh qualifying. Defeatist is looking at Northern Ireland qualifying and still thinking the talent doesn’t exist in Scotland to get there ourselves. Nothing wrong with a confidence and belief that we are as good if not better than countries that have qualified, as long as you’re willing to go and prove it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Arrogance would be saying we’re much better than Northern Ireland, well skoosh qualifying. Defeatist is looking at Northern Ireland qualifying and still thinking the talent doesn’t exist in Scotland to get there ourselves. Nothing wrong with a confidence and belief that we are as good if not better than countries that have qualified, as long as you’re willing to go and prove it. Correct. I absolutely refuse to believe Scotland don't have the players to get there where others do. We don't have world beaters, but there seems to be a lack of realisation that we don't HAVE to have world beaters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, GordonS said: And by having better players. Gordon Strachan is a decent manager. He didn't make the last 16 of the Champions League twice, with less resources than his predecessor, by being a shitebag. He beat teams like Man Utd and Milan. In fact it took a Kaka wondergoal in extra time to knock them out. Yeah, we can do more than we have, worse teams than ours have done it and with 24 countries qualifying for Euros a decent number of middling teams are always going to make it. Stevie Clarke has shown that he can get a squad of players to overachieve. We've no chance of making a World Cup any time soon though. The reason the men have qualified for nothing in 21 years (and counting) isn't luck and it isn't due to an endless succession of bad managers. It's because other teams beat us fair and square. We're miles better than pish like n Ireland and Iceland. Absolutely MILES. That's just reality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 We 100% have the players to be competitive and qualify. It's all about making them believe in themselves and make them competitive. Surely Steve Clarke was the best candidate in that respect? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) On 20/05/2019 at 17:19, GordonS said: We've no chance of making a World Cup any time soon though. The reason the men have qualified for nothing in 21 years (and counting) isn't luck and it isn't due to an endless succession of bad managers. It's because other teams beat us fair and square. This just pointless defeatism though, isn't it? Generally the mediocre teams who have qualified for the World Cup haven't beaten *us* "fair and square", they've qualified through completely different groups. To suggest that Scotland have "no chance" in the future based on our performance in the past is a bit weird. The same teams don't qualify for every tournament, so every World Cup has several European teams that didn't qualify for the previous one. A lot can change in 4 years. And it's not as though we're constantly finishing near the bottom of groups - we're regularly one place outside of the qualifying spots and often only one result (or even one goal) away from the play-offs. You enjoy eulogising about the women's team on a regular basis - they were basically hopeless for years, but have managed to turn things around fairly quickly. Edited October 21, 2021 by craigkillie 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 FAO Killie fans... What Killie players can we expect to see get called up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red23 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) In my eyes if Clarke fails then it would prove it is100% the players & SFA (beyond the current evidence). Little jumped up squirts like Tierney and Cairney (no where near his hoped England call up yet?) might not like what is about to come. Hopefully he can get us playing like a decent team together with average players Edited May 20, 2019 by red23 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Aye hopefully he starts binning players that patently can't be arsed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: FAO Killie fans... What Killie players can we expect to see get called up? Stuart Findlay will be in the squad and should be on merit regardless of who the manager was. Greg Taylor should become the 3rd choice LB. SOD will continue in the squad. Alan Power's blood has probably already been posted to AncestryDNA.com already to see if he has any connections although, regardless of how much I love Power, centre midfield is not really where we need players. Whoever is selected you can guarantee that tactically we will be better than we've been for a long time. I'm not expecting miracles against Belgium to start all of a sudden but we should approach games with confidence now against anyone we come up against. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Bo Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Principal Flutie said: Correct. I absolutely refuse to believe Scotland don't have the players to get there where others do. We don't have world beaters, but there seems to be a lack of realisation that we don't HAVE to have world beaters. Strachan's bleating about not having a superstar like Gareth Bale looked pretty ridiculous in light of the achievements of Northern Ireland and Iceland. Clarke seems like he has the sort of hard-headed and pragmatic self-belief that could result in an organised, motivated Scotland. Edited May 20, 2019 by Andre Bo 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcor Roar Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Forrest, McGregor, Christie. Build the team around that Celtic core and figure out what to do with Tierney. Hopefully Clarke will have us like NornIre punching above our weight in a couple of years. He's the one manager it would be worth doing something different with - giving him more than just 1 full campaign if he doesn't qualify. We need to give him time to implement his ideas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red23 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Falcor Roar said: Forrest, McGregor, Christie. Build the team around that Celtic core and figure out what to do with Tierney. Hopefully Clarke will have us like NornIre punching above our weight in a couple of years. He's the one manager it would be worth doing something different with - giving him more than just 1 full campaign if he doesn't qualify. We need to give him time to implement his ideas. "BUT WIT ABOUT THE RANGERS MEN" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah Cole Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Forrest, McGregor, Christie. Build the team around that Celtic core and figure out what to do with Tierney. Hopefully Clarke will have us like NornIre punching above our weight in a couple of years. He's the one manager it would be worth doing something different with - giving him more than just 1 full campaign if he doesn't qualify. We need to give him time to implement his ideas. Christie??Seriously? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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