Savage Henry Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Hopefully Scot Gemmill gets the job. Best candidate by far.Not even Scotland Gemmill believes that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 This "Levein was shite so I don't want McInnes" logic is exactly the same as the "Vogts was shite so I don't want a foreigner" logic which rightfully gets pilloried on here. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: This "Levein was shite so I don't want McInnes" logic is exactly the same as the "Vogts was shite so I don't want a foreigner" logic which rightfully gets pilloried on here. This. Absolutely no comparison between Delightful Derek and Cringeworthy Craig. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 7 hours ago, The Moonster said: Whilst I think it's likely that Clarke will accept the job, I've got to agree that the SFA would do well to stop feeding their wee bum chums in newspapers with info during these processes. They don't need to tell folk there's a shortlist of 3, they don't need to divulge any info at all on those three, and you'd think after so publicly going after O'Neill they'd have learned. Funny how the leaks have changed direction. Back in the 1970s, Jock Stein had to call up a journalist at the Daily Record to make them run a story about him being interested in the job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 McInnes' success at Aberdeen is largely based on him being allocated a relatively large budget and spending that on players with a track record in Scotland or the English lower leagues. His Aberdeen team have consistently finished high up the league because they consistently beat the teams worse than them (which is most of them). There's nothing wrong with any of that, but those achievements don't really translate to being a good Scotland manager. He's never struck me as a particularly good tactician or someone who gets results when it really counts in big games. Drawing conclusions based on Levein might seem lazy, but there a lot more parallels between him and McInnes than Vogts and most foreign managers. Levein in 2009 had built his reputation on consistent performances in the SPL either side of a failed spell in England, much like McInnes. Again, like McInnes, this was built on a smart transfer policy and consistent results against lesser teams, rather than tactical nous or the ability to get results in big games. It's also easy to forget that Levein was a popular choice at the time. Probably about as popular as Clarke is this time (there was even the same chat about how he'd never take the job because of his previous run-ins with the SFA). Funny how things change. As for Clarke, he's been able to get a squad of players playing well above their previous level without making many changes and he consistently gets results against "better" teams. These achievements translate much better to being a good Scotland manager than Levein's or McInnes' IMO. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 10 hours ago, Highland Capital said: Don't get me wrong, I think Clarke's a good manager - but Scotland are garbage. So were we until he arrived 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 9 hours ago, morrison1982 said: Will it? Clarke's brother was saying the other day that nothing has come along yet. That actually contradicts SC's comments in his pre Celtic presser where he stated he turned down 3 job offers since joining Killie....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Bo Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, C4mmy31 said: That actually contradicts SC's comments in his pre Celtic presser where he stated he turned down 3 job offers since joining Killie....... They might have been relatively shite offers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, Andre Bo said: They might have been relatively shite offers. It still contradicts his brothers comments...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 His brother doesn't say anything about there not having been any offers, just that he's surprised there hasn't been more interest.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placidcasual Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I thought I read somewhere that they expected to know by today. I'm hoping this means it's Stevie Clarke and they're just holding off til after killie's game on Sunday to announce it. The prospect of Scott Gemmill gives me the absolute boak. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, placidcasual said: I thought I read somewhere that they expected to know by today. I'm hoping this means it's Stevie Clarke and they're just holding off til after killie's game on Sunday to announce it. The prospect of Scott Gemmill gives me the absolute boak. It will be Clarke., unless of course he as last minute change of heart. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison1982 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, C4mmy31 said: That actually contradicts SC's comments in his pre Celtic presser where he stated he turned down 3 job offers since joining Killie....... He also said one of them was Rangers. That leaves two other offers, which may or may not have been English, and didn't come to anything anyway. Edited May 17, 2019 by morrison1982 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 hours ago, C4mmy31 said: So were we until he arrived You had Stewart? Proclaiming that Falkirk were a better side to take over at the time. That went well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison1982 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr Heliums said: Funny how the leaks have changed direction. Back in the 1970s, Jock Stein had to call up a journalist at the Daily Record to make them run a story about him being interested in the job. According to Archie Macpherson's book about Stein, he told Macpherson to say on TV that he "understood" Stein was interested in the Scotland job. Stein then sort of denied this on the radio the next morning ("Archie was flying a kite"). Different time and circumstances, of course. Scotland job was more prestigious, we usually qualified for World Cups, had top players, and Stein wasn't 100% happy at Leeds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Ally Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4256642/steve-clarke-scotland-manager-sfa/ Good news if true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Honest_Ally said: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4256642/steve-clarke-scotland-manager-sfa/ Good news if true. "Won the fight" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 McInnes' success at Aberdeen is largely based on him being allocated a relatively large budget and spending that on players with a track record in Scotland or the English lower leagues. His Aberdeen team have consistently finished high up the league because they consistently beat the teams worse than them (which is most of them). There's nothing wrong with any of that, but those achievements don't really translate to being a good Scotland manager. He's never struck me as a particularly good tactician or someone who gets results when it really counts in big games. Drawing conclusions based on Levein might seem lazy, but there a lot more parallels between him and McInnes than Vogts and most foreign managers. Levein in 2009 had built his reputation on consistent performances in the SPL either side of a failed spell in England, much like McInnes. Again, like McInnes, this was built on a smart transfer policy and consistent results against lesser teams, rather than tactical nous or the ability to get results in big games. It's also easy to forget that Levein was a popular choice at the time. Probably about as popular as Clarke is this time (there was even the same chat about how he'd never take the job because of his previous run-ins with the SFA). Funny how things change. As for Clarke, he's been able to get a squad of players playing well above their previous level without making many changes and he consistently gets results against "better" teams. These achievements translate much better to being a good Scotland manager than Levein's or McInnes' IMO. I'd love a Scotland manager that consistently beats the lesser teams, the inability to do that is why the job's available in the first place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4256642/steve-clarke-scotland-manager-sfa/ Good news if true.I like how “Clarke is understood to have carefully considered all his options”, after winning both a race and a fight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Honest_Ally said: https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4256642/steve-clarke-scotland-manager-sfa/ Good news if true. "The Scotland job will allow him to return to his family home in the south of England and that was a huge appeal. As was, of course, the chance to manage his country." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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