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4 hours ago, johnthebaptistist said:

And that's what religion does for the world. Nothing really to do with right/ left wing politics

Em... No. It's everything to do right wing politics. 

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Every so often you read something on P&B that has Trumpian levels of stupidity.

The suggestion earlier that New Zealand wouldn’t exist had it not been for immigrants falls squarely into that category.

 

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2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Every so often you read something on P&B that has Trumpian levels of stupidity.

The suggestion earlier that New Zealand wouldn’t exist had it not been for immigrants falls squarely into that category.

 

New Zealand is a political construct created by Europeans.

 

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It's fairly easy to understand what Detournement is getting at and those disputing it are just doing so for the sake of an argument. 

Physically it would be the same, but it wouldn't be the New Zealand as we know it. Much in the same way that the US wouldn't be what it is without British / French colonialism and South American countries without the Spanish. It would be unrecognisable culturally, politically and from a development perspective. 

So yes, New Zealand wouldn't exist without immigration. 

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Just now, S7C said:

It's fairly easy to understand what Detournement is getting at and those disputing it are just doing so for the sake of an argument. 

Physically it would be the same, but it wouldn't be the New Zealand as we know it. Much in the same way that the US wouldn't be what it is without British / French colonialism and South American countries without the Spanish. It would be unrecognisable culturally and developmentally. 

So yes, New Zealand wouldn't exist without immigration. 

And Oldham without Pakistanis.

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1 hour ago, Dindeleux said:

 


I also knew a couple of people with these types of video and I think a lot of it was just down to the shock factor of no one having ever really seen this type of thing before.

I remember at about 15 being in a house where a tape titled “banned in America” was on. It was all shootings, beheadings, sharia law punishments etc. I couldn’t take my eyes off it. However a few days later the tape was played again and I couldn’t watch 5 seconds of it. It was as if my brain was forcing me to ignore it.

Horrific.

 

Yes. I had a very similar situation when I was maybe 16 a few uf us up a pals and someone had mentioned a horrible video (from Eastern European amy/conflict/atrocity). I remember walking home later and feeling physically sick at what I'd seen. The other boys were also quite sickened, boy who showed it though was unfazed, didn't care. Could never understand and the total lack of emotion or sympathy. 

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27 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Did the Maori establish colonies? Who did they colonise?

There is a clear difference between natural patterns of human migration and industrial colonialism by imperial powers.

 

 

Yes. They settled in NZ. In villages. 

People don't get colonised, land does. 

There is no bright line. Apart from  the original pioneers, anybody migrating has migrated into someone else's patch. One or other dominates. The difference is basically technology, which includes organisation structures.  Industrial colonialism was just more efficient than mercantalist, mongol, inca, roman, Persian, sumerian etc. 

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Should places like 8chan/4chan be heavily moderated and “policed”, or even shut down? Or would that just add fuel to the fire and galvanise these individuals?

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1 hour ago, Angusfifer said:

Checked out Facebook to see how many profile pics have been changed to NZ flags.

None apparently. There must be something different in this incident from the recent terrorist attacks in Belguim and France. Can't quite put my finger on it...

Too far away IMO.

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There seems to be a lot of similarities between many of these kind of freaks and fruitcakes and the islamists and, the incels.

They are all groups where there is some kind of cathartic appeal of the spectacle of atrocity violence. They whip themselves into some kind of frenzy in their heads in which the act of carrying out an atrocity will "open the eyes " of the many who do not agree with them. Its not even all that new, the anarchists had a theory called "propaganda of the deed" where the act of violence would inspire others to revolution and Frantz Fanon (who used to be very influential in the far left) espoused theories that violence was necessary to decolonize peoples minds.

But the modern ones all seem to sit in their basements, indulging in online vicarious psychodramas of violence and its promise of some kind of revolution that will lift the burden of modern life and its complexities.

The r/incels have gone on murder sprees convinced there will be some kind of beta revolution where the beta males get to shag the hot birds if they drive cars through crowds of women (this is a real belief some of them have).

The islamsists seem to think running around London Bridge or somewhere with a knife will inspire others to rise up and install a calaphate in the UK.

The white nationalists seem to think that by killing some people in a church or a mosque then all the other white people will suddenly realise they are in the middle of a "white genocide" and fight against the "Zionist Occupation Government" or whatever the latest conspiracy theory is organizing the replacement of white people by who ever.

All of them also seem to find the modern world with its changing ethnic, gender and social mores  threatening to themselves. They all seem to struggle to deal with the complexities of the modern world.

Its ironic that groups that so completely despise each other seem to have so much in common.

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Should places like 8chan/4chan be heavily moderated and “policed”, or even shut down? Or would that just add fuel to the fire and galvanise these individuals?

Folk will always find a way. The main thing that is needed is a way for society to recognise and counteract the radicalisation of all these young men. I don't get the feeling that it is really taken seriously that 4chan, u/theredpill etc really are doing this in exactly the same way as ISIS have done for Islamic extremists.

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49 minutes ago, S7C said:

It's fairly easy to understand what Detournement is getting at and those disputing it are just doing so for the sake of an argument. 

Physically it would be the same, but it wouldn't be the New Zealand as we know it. Much in the same way that the US wouldn't be what it is without British / French colonialism and South American countries without the Spanish. It would be unrecognisable culturally, politically and from a development perspective. 

So yes, New Zealand wouldn't exist without immigration. 

It’s facile argument from a ‘look at me’ poster and doesn’t merit further comment.

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18 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I only had a quick scan through it but I thought it was clear for the most part that large bits of what he had put in there were clearly parody and intended to be ironic. The Spyro the Dragon answer was a pretty obvious dig at the people who react by blaming computer games and violent movies for these kind of atrocities. He wanted people to keep talking about it rather than just state the obvious, that he is nothing more than a right wing racist with a few screws loose.

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23 minutes ago, dorlomin said:

 

The r/incels have gone on murder sprees convinced there will be some kind of beta revolution where the beta males get to shag the hot birds if they drive cars through crowds of women

Fucking hell, that is the most tragic, scary and hilarious thing ive seen all at once.   obviously none of them ever tried taking responsibility for their own shortcomings

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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

And Oldham without Pakistanis.

^^^ Paul Scholes

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