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2 minutes ago, Estragon said:

It is incredible.  After nearly fifty years, and nearly ten years after the publication of the Saville Report which confirmed the defendant perjured himself on a number of occasions - and it's only now that a prosecution will be pursued, and only against one individual, and only in respect of two of the five people he's supposed to have shot on the day.

It's almost as though the British government are throwing a bone of consolation to their Irish counterparts in order to get some support on a totally different matter.  I'm sure I can't think what that might be............

I might be wrong, but I don't think the Irish people they want support on a totally different matter are really that bothered about prosecuting British soldiers.

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6 hours ago, TheScarf said:

A good slogan for the tourist board – “Dere’s more to Oireland dan dis.”

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I have a little chuckle to myself every time I hear about Bloody Sunday.

I can’t decide whether or not I’m Alan partridge has had a positive effect on my life or not.

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8 hours ago, MixuFixit said:


I'm almost impressed at the ambition involved in trying to make Bloody Sunday an SNPbad thing.

Or is it just the SNP being pro the “Jocks” to the slightly ridiculous level?

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Incredible it's taken 47 years to bring some of these soldiers to book for this horror show.
One, soldier F, will now be charged with 2 murders and 4 attempted murders.
What does the F stand for?
Fuckwit?


https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/prisoner-releases-under-agreement-a-moral-hazard-says-lionel-shriver-37919107.html

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23 hours ago, Shandon Par said:

Eurovision? 

That Johnny Logan is some chanter sure.

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Indeed, ONE young low ranking soldier to be charged from the mayhem and catastrophic consequences of that day 47 years ago. Who knows what was going through the mind of Soldier F, or what pressure he was under and what orders he might have been following? Did he just lose control and panic or did he deliberately open fire on stone throwing protesters amidst the intense rioting that afternoon?
Did he truthfully and purposefully take aim at unarmed non-combatants? Was he deliberately guided in the submission of his evidence and the justification of opening fire?
We don’t know, and probably never will. But so long as some ‘Fuckwit’ (your unhelpful suggestion) carries the can it will suffice. The families demand justice, but this isn’t it by some distance, not for the protagonists on either side of those actually involved.

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3 minutes ago, RedRob72 said:

 


Indeed, ONE young low ranking soldier to be charged from the mayhem and catastrophic consequences of that day 47 years ago. Who knows what was going through the mind of Soldier F, or what pressure he was under and what orders he might have been following? Did he just lose control and panic or did he deliberately open fire on stone throwing protesters amidst the intense rioting that afternoon?
Did he truthfully and purposefully take aim at unarmed non-combatants? Was he deliberately guided in the submission of his evidence and the justification of opening fire?
We don’t know, and probably never will. But so long as some ‘Fuckwit’ (your unhelpful suggestion) carries the can it will suffice. The families demand justice, but this isn’t it by some distance, not for the protagonists on either side of those actually involved.
 

 

From the chat here some of the officers at least were giving tacit permission if not orders.

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4 minutes ago, RedRob72 said:


We don’t know, and probably never will. But so long as some ‘Fuckwit’ (your unhelpful suggestion) carries the can it will suffice. The families demand justice, but this isn’t it by some distance, not for the protagonists on either side of those actually involved.
 

 

 

I'm not going to apologise for "fuckwit". I've been unlucky enough to know a couple of guys who did a stint in the army. These guys had something in common - a fascination for guns. Perhaps this particular fuckwit, who has been singled out, was maybe just curious to find out what it felt like to kill someone - better still, someone, or some people, who were unarmed and posing no threat to anyone.

Like you say we'll probably never know the truth, but if those who carried out the shootings did so without instruction, or even orders, you would have thought they might have been disciplined or even court martialed. 

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Despite the misgivings of some into certain parts of the report, the Saville enquiry was pretty clear in where the overall responsibility should lie, it wasn’t on the shoulders of one single squaddie sent in to quell a riot.

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For starts for those commenting on it try looking at it from a few angles, IRA hid behind innocent civilians whilst carrying out attacks against the British Army.  Martin McGuiness was one of the IRA commanders that was active during that time.  You have a crowd of people in a protest out of that crowd you have a few IRA gunmen open fire on troops, Troops return fire however innocents get caught up in the cross fire.  There are rules for engagement however not sure how far or how it was during the early 70s.

Another point to note regardless of how you feel about it Blairs good friday agreement Pardoned all those IRA members for the crimes they commited Omagh, Enniskilling, Warrington etc  and said those pardon were to draw a line under it yet we are prosecuting troops who the Govt sent in there in the first place by their bidding.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, AL-FFC said:

For starts for those commenting on it try looking at it from a few angles, IRA hid behind innocent civilians whilst carrying out attacks against the British Army.  Martin McGuiness was one of the IRA commanders that was active during that time.  You have a crowd of people in a protest out of that crowd you have a few IRA gunmen open fire on troops, Troops return fire however innocents get caught up in the cross fire.  There are rules for engagement however not sure how far or how it was during the early 70s.

Another point to note regardless of how you feel about it Blairs good friday agreement Pardoned all those IRA members for the crimes they commited Omagh, Enniskilling, Warrington etc  and said those pardon were to draw a line under it yet we are prosecuting troops who the Govt sent in there in the first place by their bidding.

 

 

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The Saville Report concluded that all of those shot were unarmed and that none were posing a serious threat. It also concluded that none of the soldiers fired in response to attacks, or threatened attacks, by gunmen or bomb-throwers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

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1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

I have my own opinions on Para's and they don't help themselve's whilst i acknowledge the Saville enquiry etc which was carried out anyone knows that any Govt enquiry is to find someone to blame or at fault. 

Main point is if the price of peace is to pardon all those who committed atrocities in the name of the IRA to "draw a line under it" and move on then why are old wounds being reopened cause all it is going to do is start creating divisions again.  If the cause of this is no one was brought to justice then what does that say for the families of the bereaved who lost loved ones to IRA killings  oh you got justice but he only got 6 months then a full government pardon but its ok you can move on from that as that's the price of peace

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