Malcolm Malcolm Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, ancientnoise said: Who's pishing their pants MM? You think I'm @shull ? D.A.F.C. is getting (understandably) agitated about the squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 The players are to blame Particularly the 11 who couldn't be bothered to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Scotland are shite and McLeish is a moron but Estona are not ‘a competent side’. Henri fucking Anier started up front for them tonight and was being provided by Henrik Ojaama and Mattias Kait. They've been closer to qualifying for a tournament than we have in that past 9-10 years and are not Kazakhfuckingstan. I'm not trying to make then out as a hot outfit ffs. Just a little context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 McLeish should not be in the job. He isn’t up for it as a manager, or mentally. Have said this from the very beginning and it astonishes even me the idiots at Hampden thought he’d be the correct choice. There is still a decent group of players there (Shinnie, Palmer & Burke are not any of them) but they are obviously just not being coached anywhere near well enough. Personally think he’d be out of his mind to take it, but we should be doing everything to get Steve Clarke. Someone capable of organising a side and making chicken salad out of chicken shit, which we barely even resemble at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Yes we have had a few players in or around the top teams but Robertson aside they’re not game changing players that you need to win games at the top level. It’s unfortunate really that we’ve not had a decent attacking player since the 1990s. McFadden in some games that’s about it. How many of our players since Euro 96 would hold down a regular place in a top side? None. For some reason though we hold this bizarre fantasy that we are actually some sort of good side that should be doing better than we are with the players we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 At risk of depressing everyone further, I took a look at the 5 intervening campaigns since McLeish was last manager (when of course we dropped 3pts to Georgia in our penultimate game and finished 2pts behind Italy). Bad omens:WC 2010 ... dropped 3pts in opening game to FYR Macedonia / finished behind Norway on GDEuro 2012 ... dropped 2pts in opening game to Lithuania / finished 2pts behind Czech RepublicWC 2014 ... dropped 4pts in opening double-header to Serbia and Macedonia / finished 6pts behind Croatia and 3pts behind SerbiaEuro 2016 ... dropped 3pts in penultimate double-header to Georgia / finished 3pts behind EireWC 2018 ... dropped 2pts in opening double-header to Lithuania / finished behind Slovakia on GD Euro 2020 ... dropped 2pts in opening game to Kazakhstan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: Yes we have had a few players in or around the top teams but Robertson aside they’re not game changing players that you need to win games at the top level. It’s unfortunate really that we’ve not had a decent attacking player since the 1990s. McFadden in some games that’s about it. How many of our players since Euro 96 would hold down a regular place in a top side? None. For some reason though we hold this bizarre fantasy that we are actually some sort of good side that should be doing better than we are with the players we have. This is the thing though. How many of these players do Ireland x2, Hungary, Iceland etc have? Teams that have outperformed us for years. The key issue is to do with the coaching and the mentality of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoon Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, ancientnoise said: Seems like the answer to every failing team these days = get Steve Clarke in. It’s a good answer tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, ancientnoise said: Easy to recall RFC 2012 plc clambering for his services, to replace the hapless Caixhinha. What happened there? Who's next? *clamouring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jofis Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Leaving your elite sports club at the weekend only to be met by McLeish, McFadden and Grant must make facing International duty extremely uninspiring for a lot of the squad. These players are automatons who are used to highly detailed tactical preparation and are required to understand exactly what their roles are; to the letter. Most of the time, when they fail to follow out these tactics they lose, and can only blame themselves; unless they have a shite coach who employs shite tactics in an incoherent manner. The players have shown a lack of professionalism against Kazakhstan but McLeish, et al, have displayed complete and utter incompetence repeatedly and it's time to GTF. I want to turn up to Hampden to see these guys play the way they are able to play, but they need a far higher level of coaching when they meet up for Internationals. What they have now seems even beneath Primary School level (no offence to Primary School coaches, and most of them probably have better motivational techniques and better tactical nous than the nonsense currently coaching at the elite level). Hopefully the players will take control on Sunday and bypass the management like they did against Israel at Hampden; if the management isn't working, manage yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 If it's better coaching the Scotland team need look no further...... Spoiler DiligentDisastrousEidolonhelvum (2).webp I think McLeish and him would get on like a house on fire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennysmassiveego Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Remember that time Kris Boyd said Shinnie wasn’t SCotland class Wasnt all shinnies fault but KB is sitting in his Lazyboy , monster munch in one hand Killie pie on the other , pissing himself laughing , allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennysmassiveego Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, ancientnoise said: I remember that well. Also recall all of Boyd's illiterate, vocal and written attempts to carve out a media career for himself. I also remember he refused to play for the his nation. I’m still calling Boyds career > Shinnies Say what you want about KBs abilities but he’s made the most of them to good account IMO , not saying he’s a McIvanney but if media outlets are willing to employ you , go for it I say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I don’t buy it that we dont have players good enough. We have players playing at a decent level who should be able to do relatively well at international level. Mcleish got his tactics wrong last night and should rightly be answerable to them. The fact he thinks we started well indicates the daft old c**t has lost it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastermind Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Scottish football is dead ya fudThis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastermind Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Don't know if it has been mentioned but Robertsons poor excuse for not playing is unbelievable for a Scotland captain.he should be stripped.used to mean something playing for your country but clearly not now with al the poor excuses for pulling out.He’s prioritised a title challenge in the EPL game and run in the latter stages of the Champions League, but still very disappointing from Robertson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Get McLeish to take over Brexit, he's got us out of Europe after 9 minsFTFY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Why has McTominay been turned into a saviour? It's not that he was seen as a saviour but as the only one who play the holding midfield role effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estragon Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, ancientnoise said: Boyd did also fail us when it came to Scotland, albeit in a different way from the hapless McLeish They both let our national side down. One for not turning up, the other for the £600k p.a. that made Birmingham City more important than Scotland. Not easily forgotten in either case. This is utter bullshit. Boyd didn't just spit the dummy because he went for a fucking scale and polish instead of playing for Scotland - he was left on the bench watching inferior strikers get chance after chance for the country. He eventually jacked it because George Burley told THE PRESS post-Iwelumo that KB "still had to prove himself" despite having been one of the most lethal forwards in the country for years. The Scotland setup failed Kris Boyd, not the other way round. It's you who's forgotten that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 It's not that he was seen as a saviour but as the only one who play the holding midfield role effectively.He doesn’t play enough club football to determine he plays any role effectively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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