DA Baracus Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 49 minutes ago, King Kebab said: Remember when Bielsa wanted the job but they gave it to McLeash??? Whatever happened to him??? No, never heard of this 'McLeash'. Is he better than McLeish? 47 minutes ago, San Starko Rover said: Remember when Lars Lagerbäck wanted it and we gave it to another useless c**t A dreadful piece of business. Folk should have been fired for that. Fired in to the sun. 32 minutes ago, 7-2 said: Indeed. It's Scottish sport in general. You just need to look over the water to Ireland to see how far we've regressed. They used to mainly be an easy touch for us and while we've floundered around, their football, rugby and cricket teams have overtaken us big time and we struggle to beat any of them as they continually progress on the world stage. Even their rugby clubs are successful in the major competitions while we struggle to qualify. When it comes to sport, something is definitely rotten in the state of Scotland. I genuinely think there is a huge issue with the mentality of Scotland and Scottish people. So much negativity and excuses for everything from too many people. The confidence is lacking from too many. The negative folk absolutely love to knock the confidence out of people and drag them down and bitterness is far too common across the country. I think management knocked all the confidence out of the team. McFadden reeling off a list of excuses on Sportscene on Sunday should have rung huge alarm bells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Can’t wait for the highlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bully_wee Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: Everyone is moaning but the reality is that if you have two centre backs with less than 100 top level appearances between them, a right back who has never held down a first team spot for any length of time in the English lower leagues and a left back who is a mediocre midfielder who specialises in being a better looking Scott Brown then you are not going to win anywhere. If Robertson, Tierney and Mulgrew bother their arse to play and it's a different story. Shoving in better defenders might well have prevented one, two or even all of the goals, but the fact is that we didn't score or apply any kind of consistent pressure either in possession or out of it. No player looked comfortable or like he knew what either the collective or individual duties of the team were. Middle-to-front, we were hardly weak, and yet we did absolutely nothing in that game. The "different story" would likely only amount to an embarrassing 1-0 as opposed to an entirely humiliating pumping. 3 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said: For various reasons we were missing 10 English Premiership regulars today and we all saw what happened. You cannot miss out on quality like that and expect everything to be okay. The opposition were totally underestimated. We have a specialist defensive midfielder in McTominay. Good enough to help Man Utd win 5 games in a row and beat PSG away from home. But not good enough for Scotland. McLeish must go and he must go now. Look at the level at which each of those Kazakh players performs at. A far lesser quality of player than we had available today - again, the result was nothing to do with who we had available. Our squad is more than good enough to be swatting such minnows aside. McTominay has been alright for Man Utd, but a defensive midfielder (he's not exactly a classic one, by any means) really isn't what we should require in a game we are overwhelming favourites to win. The midfield three that started the game is the exact same one I'd have chose, albeit with McGinn deeper and McGregor and Armstrong advanced. Agree on your final point though. No way back for him after something like this and, into the bargain, he's shown nothing to suggest we can be at all successful under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 minute ago, the_bully_wee said: Shoving in better defenders might well have prevented one, two or even all of the goals, but the fact is that we didn't score or apply any kind of consistent pressure either in possession or out of it. No player looked comfortable or like he knew what either the collective or individual duties of the team were. Middle-to-front, we were hardly weak, and yet we did absolutely nothing in that game. The "different story" would likely only amount to an embarrassing 1-0 as opposed to an entirely humiliating pumping. Going two nil down completely changes the game. Burke and McBurnie's heads go down. Forrest is thinking about what to watch on the plane home and Armstrong, McGinn and Mcgregor try to start forcing the game which led to the third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just seen clips of the goals, so cant have any real opinion. But here we go... First two goals are a mix of Shinnie being caught out, Bain standing still watching things happen instead of moving, and no communication at all between Bain, Shinnie and McKenna. Third goal is a perfect summation, as Shinnie let's the goalscorer go, Bains planted to his line, and McKenna seems to be expecting either one to get it, and gets caught in two minds as nobody is telling him what's happening behind him. Cant help but feel a keeper who actually speaks and moves, and a left back who is natural there (thought Shinnie might be, but he looked like someone out of position), and this result doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 National embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelheart Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 We are officially below the shit line!! Mcleish should never have been given the chance again after walking out last time around just pure gutted as no words can describe that performance I just witnessed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: No, never heard of this 'McLeash'. Is he better than McLeish? A dreadful piece of business. Folk should have been fired for that. Fired in to the sun. I genuinely think there is a huge issue with the mentality of Scotland and Scottish people. So much negativity and excuses for everything from too many people. The confidence is lacking from too many. The negative folk absolutely love to knock the confidence out of people and drag them down and bitterness is far too common across the country. I think management knocked all the confidence out of the team. McFadden reeling off a list of excuses on Sportscene on Sunday should have rung huge alarm bells. That's good coming from you. Scottish psyche is either arrogant over confidence or abject pessimism...get used to it. However, you are right. We pay people to move us from one to the other, it hasn't actually worked for many years though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastermind Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Could Andy Robertson not have gone to the dentist another time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_bully_wee Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: Going two nil down completely changes the game. I disagree that it does. We had over eighty minutes to recover, and such is the nature of football that it's hardly an uncommon thing to have to overcome set-backs. What we saw before, during and after those goals was a group of players with absolutely no clue how - or, even worse, desire - to implement whatever the f**k it was McLeish told them to do. It's not as if the Kazakhs were in our faces in those first ten minutes, showing great aggression and intensity - they were sitting off and playing cautiously as they proceeded to do thereon. They'd have played in an organised and compact fashion all game whether they scored those two goals or not. At no point did we ever look like seriously threatening them or being able to exploit some pretty glaring weaknesses of theirs. The game wasn't lost because of the goals we lost, it was lost because we were shite all over the park, with absolutely no idea of how to control the game at any stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: National embarrassment. Don’t be too harsh on yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanMc99 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, IggyStooge said: Wouldn't we be better boycotting a home game...? LOOK WHAT THEYVE DONE TO ME. i don’t even know where the fuckin games are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said: That's good coming from you. Scottish psyche is either arrogant over confidence or abject pessimism...get used to it. However, you are right. We pay people to move us from one to the other, it hasn't actually worked for many years though. First line? Anyway, I don't agree with your second paragraph. A lot of folk are like that but many strive to be otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanMc99 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Is he sacked yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Fair play to McLeish; I never thought I'd see a worse result/performance than Israel but they managed it within six months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I am genuinely fuming at that. Shinnie doesn't play at left-back for Aberdeen and by God did it show. Two occasions of not knowing when to track and one of not knowing what to do with a winger. Palmer seems to be a decent crosser, but was rotten at everything else. If he plays against San Marino, that'll be his last cap. I actually thought Bates and McKenna weren't bad, although they aren't very good on the ball. McGregor's a good footballer, I really like him, but for the second goal he made the same mistake as he did for Kayal's goal against Israel - not getting out quickly. There's a reason Rodgers stopped playing him as a sole holding midfielder. Armstrong's good and looked head and shoulders above the rest for a wee bit. McGinn didn't really have any effect on the good. Forrest was back to his old self today - anonymous. It's clear why so many managers have given up on Burke; if he weren't quick he wouldn't be a footballer. McBurnie obviously wasn't good but I felt a bit sorry for him, as I don't think he got more than five touches. The subs proved how shite the squad is, but McLeish bringing a striker off for a winger, a holding midfielder on for a box-to-box midfielder, and a striker on for a winger, is just pish. There were a few nice moments of play, and I genuinely think that was a better performance than Israel away, but they were so non-committal in breaking forward coupled with no clever movement to create space. Other than the centre-backs, they all looked lost when Kazakhstan had the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 minute ago, DA Baracus said: First line? Anyway, I don't agree with your second paragraph. A lot of folk are like that but many strive to be otherwise. You're hardly a ray of sunshine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Nederlander Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, Poet of the Macabre said: Fair play to McLeish; I never thought I'd see a worse result/performance than Israel but they managed it within six months. Yip, McLeish somehow turned out to be a lot fucking worse than we even expected ... to the point where I'm actually agreeing with fucking Pars fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just now, Sergeant Wilson said: You're hardly a ray of sunshine. That can be true, and I certainly didn't excuse myself from my post. I struggle with mental illness but try to be positive. I often fail but I keep trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie S Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said: Apparently, just cos you play in the English Premiership, doesn’t make you that good. For various reasons we were missing 10 English Premiership regulars today and we all saw what happened. A substantial proportion of the Tartan Army had been highly critical of Strachan for being too Anglocentric. Typical TA anglophobia (the TA fandans aren’t typically xenophobic as has often been suggested, but anglophobic - most certainly) and it was to be expected that the parochial twats in the fanbase would soon be calling for ‘a Scots-based team for Scottish people’ in true League of Gentlemen fashion. McLeish came on board and seemed to buy into this crap, jettisoning a number of English-based players, and seemingly alienating many of the rest, not only by picking patently inferior players, but by implementing a ‘one rule for some, another for everyone else’ system of giving Celtic players an opt out from the end of season tour no one wanted to Mexico and Peru, and then criticising others for not being committed enough to go. Now every squad is a riddled with unexplained omissions, unsubstantiated whispers of ‘services being withheld’, niggling injuries that must be carefully nursed through international breaks (but strangely don’t impede domestic appearances), international retirements etc. Where do we go from here? God knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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