Jan Vojáček Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Easy Days for Raith said: Stenny are gone in my opinion and Brechin are clutching straws If it’s Brechin in the playoffs, I fancy them to stay up. Yet if it’s Stenny, I would think Edinburgh City will be in league 1 next season (Yes stenny tore us apart a few weeks back, I just don’t fancy their chances of survival) I honestly think Stenhousemuir are far from gone. They did a really good job on us a few weeks back, and their form recently has been good. Combine that with the fact they have an excellent goalkeeper, two solid centre-backs, the energy of Conor McBrearty in midfield and one of the division's better strike partnerships, I don't see any reason why they can't stay up. In fact if they end up ninth I'll really fancy them in the playoffs. At risk of dooming the Warriors (and being awarded the freedom of Brechin) they looked far better against us than Brechin did, and the whole feeling around Ochilview just seems to be a bit more positive than it is at Glebe Park. Tl;dr version: I disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farflung lichtie Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 League One most seasons seems to the closest of the leagues - judged on the points differential between top and bottom and it’s looking that way again, though the Championship is fairly close this year. Maybe because there are more slots to play for than any of the other leagues or maybe because there’s not much between the teams (most part time etc). As usual, getting a bit of consistency - really difficult - along with momentum is the main thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophe Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 17 hours ago, Easy Days for Raith said: Stenny are gone in my opinion and Brechin are clutching straws If it’s Brechin in the playoffs, I fancy them to stay up. Yet if it’s Stenny, I would think Edinburgh City will be in league 1 next season (Yes stenny tore us apart a few weeks back, I just don’t fancy their chances of survival) What a bizarre assessment given we have picked up 7 points out of the last 9 and Brechin have picked up 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its not only a game Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 League One most seasons seems to the closest of the leagues - judged on the points differential between top and bottom and it’s looking that way again, though the Championship is fairly close this year. Maybe because there are more slots to play for than any of the other leagues or maybe because there’s not much between the teams (most part time etc). As usual, getting a bit of consistency - really difficult - along with momentum is the main thing.Tell me about it- EF went 8 games undefeated- now we cant buy a win!Tough league..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortyMo Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Having seen and played all the teams in the squeaky bum battle, Brechin are by far the worst. I fully expect them to be in the relegation spot at the end of the season. Stenny at Brechin on the last day will be a huge game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Really not sure what’s happened at Glebe Park. For so long Brechin were a model for the other Angus clubs as they floundered about lower down the leagues. That play off win two seasons ago was such a Pyrrhic victory. Sure most City fans would trade that day willingly in return for two years of stability. 9th or 10th that team is done. Likely a total clear out in the summer from the manager downwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Really not sure what’s happened at Glebe Park. For so long Brechin were a model for the other Angus clubs as they floundered about lower down the leagues. That play off win two seasons ago was such a Pyrrhic victory. Sure most City fans would trade that day willingly in return for two years of stability. 9th or 10th that team is done. Likely a total clear out in the summer from the manager downwards.Realistically Brechin should be fighting it out with Albion Berwick and Cowden They're supposedly somehow still skint after a year in the Championship which doesn't bode well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microdave Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Some folk seem to think that the Championship is the land of milk and honey but if part time teams stand any chance of survival, then they have to splash their income on players that'll help them stay up. When we were there, we played Thistle, Dundee, Hearts, Hibs, Rangers, Dundee United who all brought healthy crowds to the Rock but we used that money to give us the best chance of staying up. I'm not surprised Brechin are as skint as we are. It's virtually impossible to stockpile money in that league and be successful. I realise Brechin weren't successful in their season up there but that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't have bigger overheads than they would have in league one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedgeman83 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Well apparently the money that we did have was used to pay off Dods so any money we made in the championship is now pretty much gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brechin City FC Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Ivo den Bieman said: Really not sure what’s happened at Glebe Park. For so long Brechin were a model for the other Angus clubs as they floundered about lower down the leagues. That play off win two seasons ago was such a Pyrrhic victory. Sure most City fans would trade that day willingly in return for two years of stability. 9th or 10th that team is done. Likely a total clear out in the summer from the manager downwards. Absolutely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers_Lad Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, microdave said: Some folk seem to think that the Championship is the land of milk and honey but if part time teams stand any chance of survival, then they have to splash their income on players that'll help them stay up. Spot on but also applies to any full time team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Some folk seem to think that the Championship is the land of milk and honey but if part time teams stand any chance of survival, then they have to splash their income on players that'll help them stay up. When we were there, we played Thistle, Dundee, Hearts, Hibs, Rangers, Dundee United who all brought healthy crowds to the Rock but we used that money to give us the best chance of staying up. I'm not surprised Brechin are as skint as we are. It's virtually impossible to stockpile money in that league and be successful. I realise Brechin weren't successful in their season up there but that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't have bigger overheads than they would have in league one. They didn't splash any money on any good signings though? You get 160k for finishing bottom don't you? Also are Dumbarton not very restricted in how many away tickets they can sell? Sure our away end has a larger capacity than your stadium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Stenny win today, Forfar have downed tools.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 8 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said: They didn't splash any money on any good signings though? You get 160k for finishing bottom don't you? Also are Dumbarton not very restricted in how many away tickets they can sell? Sure our away end has a larger capacity than your stadium A very simplistic and somewhat misguided view of how our club experienced their season in the championship. Firstly we just sneaked into the play offs with an average squad of players who peaked at the right time after losing more games than they won throughout a pretty turgid season. Secondly , no one , including our management committee expected in their wildest dreams that we would gain promotion from that 4th spot. Financial preparations therefore were not in place and the manager was given a budget similar to league 1 ( slightly larger to take in the players' increased wage expectations ) . This was after much deliberation on whether or not to gamble on bringing in supposedly better players in the vain hope of survival. The decision to stick with what we had was based on the timescale from the play off final to the the start of the season and actually the quality of player available as most of the decent ones had been snapped up. Also and most importantly the memory of Pink Campbell's disastrous efforts of bringing in "experienced players" ( mercenaries ) still sticks in all our throats as well as basically crippling the club financially. Obviously we couldn't go through a whole season with that same small squad due to injuries and suspensions and the squad had to be increased. The bulk of that £160k was used to subsidise that along with trying to maintain an ageing stadium to an adequate standard for championship football. The longer the season went without us winning made it increasingly difficult to attract any quality players and the ones we did sign weren't any better than the ones already there and added nothing of note to the team morale. I hope this helps explain how difficult it was and is for part time (and some full time ) clubs to survive in a league with a much higher standard than League 1. Fair play to Dumbarton for lasting so long and also Alloa for showing a bit of form just now. It is all about managing resources correctly . Unfortunately we went up at the wrong time financially but I still wouldn't have refused the opportunity nevertheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 A very simplistic and somewhat misguided view of how our club experienced their season in the championship. Firstly we just sneaked into the play offs with an average squad of players who peaked at the right time after losing more games than they won throughout a pretty turgid season. Secondly , no one , including our management committee expected in their wildest dreams that we would gain promotion from that 4th spot. Financial preparations therefore were not in place and the manager was given a budget similar to league 1 ( slightly larger to take in the players' increased wage expectations ) . This was after much deliberation on whether or not to gamble on bringing in supposedly better players in the vain hope of survival. The decision to stick with what we had was based on the timescale from the play off final to the the start of the season and actually the quality of player available as most of the decent ones had been snapped up. Also and most importantly the memory of Pink Campbell's disastrous efforts of bringing in "experienced players" ( mercenaries ) still sticks in all our throats as well as basically crippling the club financially. Obviously we couldn't go through a whole season with that same small squad due to injuries and suspensions and the squad had to be increased. The bulk of that £160k was used to subsidise that along with trying to maintain an ageing stadium to an adequate standard for championship football. The longer the season went without us winning made it increasingly difficult to attract any quality players and the ones we did sign weren't any better than the ones already there and added nothing of note to the team morale. I hope this helps explain how difficult it was and is for part time (and some full time ) clubs to survive in a league with a much higher standard than League 1. Fair play to Dumbarton for lasting so long and also Alloa for showing a bit of form just now. It is all about managing resources correctly . Unfortunately we went up at the wrong time financially but I still wouldn't have refused the opportunity nevertheless. So it sounds like you would have struggled financially regardless. Possibly could've been extremely bad if you stayed in League 1??? For us, we get a guaranteed £166k For comparison 18/19 - £120k17/18 - £81k 16/17 - £64k15/16 - £45k That's huge Also our average crowd will go from 1000 and probably double. The 4 Dundee (if they're both in the league) home games alone could have our average at around 1000 It's certainly great financially for us Anyway back to the relegation stuff. Stenny and Stranraer wins tiday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 9 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said: They didn't splash any money on any good signings though? You get 160k for finishing bottom don't you? Also are Dumbarton not very restricted in how many away tickets they can sell? Sure our away end has a larger capacity than your stadium Our away end holds 750, but against St Mirren especially we had quite a few away fans in the home end. The point is a valid one though, we couldn't take advantage of having the likes of Rangers, Hearts and Hibernian because of our capacity restriction in the same way as a club like yourself could. The extra Policing and stewarding at Rangers games especially probably cost us a fair whack too - and our home attendances dropped season-by-season as fans got fed up watching us in a relegation battle. Anyway, today. Depending on results Dumbarton and Stranraer could both be mathematically safe, or just one point could separate the bottom four clubs going into the final two games. My heart could not take the second outcome, so I'm hoping Forfar seriously up their game from last week, and Stevie Aitken's prodigy (#TaughtYouWellMate) combine to send Brechin and Stenny on track for a hugely dramatic final day showdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoriginalhedge Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: So it sounds like you would have struggled financially regardless. Possibly could've been extremely bad if you stayed in League 1??? For us, we get a guaranteed £166k For comparison 18/19 - £120k 17/18 - £81k 16/17 - £64k 15/16 - £45k That's huge Also our average crowd will go from 1000 and probably double. The 4 Dundee (if they're both in the league) home games alone could have our average at around 1000 It's certainly great financially for us Anyway back to the relegation stuff. Stenny and Stranraer wins tiday As I said it is all about managing available resources. Arbroath obviously have a bigger fanbase and population to generate income , giving them a head start initially. Based on that , you lot should do well depending of course on how uncle Fester goes about the transfer business. Don't get carried away with Dick's expectations though or you might be back to square one before you know it. ......................Been there , done that. As for your predictions , nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 As I said it is all about managing available resources. Arbroath obviously have a bigger fanbase and population to generate income , giving them a head start initially. Based on that , you lot should do well depending of course on how uncle Fester goes about the transfer business. Don't get carried away with Dick's expectations though or you might be back to square one before you know it. ......................Been there , done that. As for your predictions , nah. Fully expect us to finish bottom but maybe get a surprise Know we've pumped Stenny but found them massively improved when we last played. Stranraer have a few dangerous players and a bit of experience, only really Jackson to worry about when playing you boys. Heard a rumour he could be away end of season too to a local rival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Even at HT, I think it's pretty safe to say that Brechin & Stenny will be taking the bottom two places with everybody else being safe now. Stenny v East Fife, Raith v Brechin & a final day Stenny v Brechin epic to decide who gets that relegation playoff place at best. Regardless of what happens next week, if we beat Stenny then we'll scrape it on goal difference. An unlikely win at Raith would do it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 My bum is 100% squeak free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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