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Should youth clubs enter the SFA Senior Pyramid?


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Clubs with strong youth set-ups - some with SFA Quality Mark status or Legacy level status - now have difficult choices to make:

  1. Do they continue as they are and allow EOS Senior clubs to siphon off their best talent for Lowland Development U20 League teams? OR
  2. Do they form partnerships as the youth sections of established EOS Senior clubs? OR
  3. Do they go the "whole hog" like Glenrothes Strollers and Syngenta Juveniles and seek to form their own Senior teams in the EOSL?

Sygenta already appear to be "stealing a march" over their rivals with this form of progressive advertising over the last 6 months:
 

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Can Legacy level clubs such as AM Soccer Club afford to be left behind?

What is the best way forward?

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On ‎07‎/‎03‎/‎2019 at 19:11, Pyramidic said:

Clubs with strong youth set-ups - some with SFA Quality Mark status or Legacy level status - now have difficult choices to make:

  1. Do they continue as they are and allow EOS Senior clubs to siphon off their best talent for Lowland Development U20 League teams? OR
  2. Do they form partnerships as the youth sections of established EOS Senior clubs? OR
  3. Do they go the "whole hog" like Glenrothes Strollers and Syngenta Juveniles and seek to form their own Senior teams in the EOSL?

Sygenta already appear to be "stealing a march" over their rivals with this form of progressive advertising over the last 6 months:
 

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Can Legacy level clubs such as AM Soccer Club afford to be left behind?

What is the best way forward?

NB: For more debate and news see

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
This is a minefield for many or could be.
 
Most of the junior clubs who want an academy or have an amalgamation with an academy, don't have money to fund a youth academy and the way most academies are run, they may have to change the way they operate. but and its a big BUT, if junior clubs that turn senior do not have money to fund a proper academy with coaching staff they will then have to rely on the academies that operate with volunteer coaches, thus a lot of plates up in their but I think this is where the SFA should offer guidance and help to get most off their ground in any way possible.
 
Pollok Soccer Academy is an independent body where Pollok FC have no control over, so both have to work together to get things done
Clydebank Soccer Academy has just applied for legacy status and the committee, as far as I believe includes Clydebank FC first team members/committee
K-Park Training Academy has been established for the benefit of the community of East Kilbride by the East Kilbride Community Trust, (not sure what this implies in regard to the connection of the Ek youth teams and Ek senior team.
 
There are, I'm sure, many other soccer academies all run in their own way, some with connections to junior or senior teams, some not.
When you read them all like that, it sounds good on paper but every academy will have ups and downs and issues that have to be addressed to keep things running smooth or to have them run smooth.
 
Has anyone any info on the past couple of years, junior teams who went to the senior ranks, especially the east side, and if and which youth teams did they have to join them as a youth set up?      With the Scottish U21 Cup decimated on the east side as many youth teams joined the local junior team who applied for Senior membership so the Scottish cup had fewer U21 teams in the cup
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Just wondering if there is any news on Musselburgh Windsor FC and whether this progressive youth club are going to have another go at entering a team in the EoSL.

I was disappointed that Windsor were unable to gain entry for 2018/19 but it was obvious that Pinkies and Whitecraig do not meet EoSL criteria. In my view nothing has changed in this respect.

I wonder what the possibility would be for a groundshare with Musselburgh Athletic FC for 2019/20?

With Musselburgh Ath U20's (formerly Musselburgh Windsor) doing OK in the Lowland Development U20 League surely the time is right for Windsor to come forward as a loosely-linked "feeder club" with the following caveats:

- Windsor to negotiate groundshare with Athletic;
- in return Windsor provide players for Musselburgh Ath U20's next season in the Lowland Development U20 League;
- Windsor would be playing at lower tier of EoSL than Athletic so not in direct competition;
- the two clubs develop a firm understanding that higher level players go to Athletic in Tier 6 with the rest forming the pool for Windsor in EoSL at Tier 7.

This sort of arrangement seems to be working quite well in some towns in England:

- Coggeshall Town / Coggeshall United
- Biggleswade Town / Biggleswade FC
- Brackley Town / Brackley Town Saints   ETC

Times are changing in Scottish Non League Football and at the Senior level new links may be possible where entrenched views may no longer hold sway.
 

 



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It is understood that Syngenta Juveniles will be using Grangemouth Stadium next season in their first season in the East of Scotland League.

 

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Other news Blackburn United intend to field an U20s side in the Lowland Development League next season.

 

 

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There has been mention of at least 10 new Lowland Development U20s teams looking to come onboard next season.

Arniston Rangers
Blackburn United
Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic
Broxburn Athletic
Glenrothes Juniors
Glenrothes Strollers
Linlithgow Rose
Eyemouth United
Penicuik Athletic
St Andrews United
Syngenta Juveniles
 

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Another partnership is formed this time between EoSL club Oakley United and Duloch Juniors:

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Oakley United and Duloch Juniors are delighted to announce a partnership between both clubs beginning on 1st June 2019.

For some time now, Duloch Juniors have been looking at how best to support the development of our players as they progress towards youth football and beyond. Whilst Duloch Juniors have players at all age groups from those born in 2003 to 2014, the missing piece of the jigsaw has been a player pathway to senior football. Having been approached by Oakley United last year, and after discussions between both clubs committees, it was evident from an early stage that a partnership between both clubs would be of great mutual benefit.

Oakley United are a senior football club who currently play in the East of Scotland Football League (EOSFL). Formed in 1964, they have a proud history in Junior football and as a club for the community playing home games at Blairwood Park in the centre of Oakley. Since formation, Oakley United were a recognised Junior football team however made the transition to the EOSFL in 2018 after having their league membership accepted to play in the Conference A division. The EOSFL is a highly regarded league and effectively the 6th tier of the pyramid in Scottish Senior football.

Duloch Juniors have approximately 250 children and youths registered from ages 5 to 16 years playing regular, organised, development football. Whilst only formed in 2009, the club have grown considerably from 5 players kicking a ball about Duloch Park to currently one of the largest clubs in West Fife. Our teams compete in the Fife Soccer Sevens Development Association (FSSDA), Fife Football Development League (FFDL) and Association of Fife Youth Football Clubs (AFYFC). In addition, Duloch Juniors have an amateur adult team who compete in the Fife Kingdom League.

It has been agreed that from season 2019/2020 onwards, any Duloch Juniors teams aged under 16 and older will play under the Oakley United banner which will continue in consecutive years as we develop our partnership.

The primary objective of this partnership is to create a pathway from children and youth football to a senior level and maintain the development and progression of players. Further to this we aim to forge a strong relationship between the two communities and give the opportunity to all players from the west of Fife to participate in organised football.

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Glenrothes Strollers and Syngenta both failed in their applications for membership of the East of Scotland League.

The importance of meeting the League's criteria cannot be overstressed.

I understand that Grangemouth Stadium would not always be available for football because of athletics commitments.

I also understand that one of the applicants did not attend the EGM to present their case and answer questions.

Glenrothes Juniors were elected to the League. Hopefully Strollers and Syngenta will try again next year. I wish them well.

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