johnnydun Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 It hasn't really went away, however it seems to be back under the spotlight, offensive behaviour at the football. This can include racism, sectarianism, homophobia etc... I would prefer this to be a discussion about how we deal with the problem, if of course you think there is a problem at all, and not decend into the usual pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Wilkos Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 It can't be dealt with. There are too many neanderthals in Glasgow and the central belt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ONeils4Oyarder Posted March 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2019 Hammer the clubs, by deducting a single solitary point from their league total...everytime there is a political song sung, a sectarian song sun, a coin fired onto a football pitch, supporters breaching pitch-side barriers, seats broken (because of over-exuberance or otherwise), flags flown in support of terrorist organisations... ...Celtic would be absolutely fucked if that was the case, or they might actually get their house in order. 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 I voted "both" but I would stipulate that clubs would only face punishment after a certain number of offences from their fans, to take the scale of scumbaggery of each support into account. Otherwise you'd get the authorities occasionally docking Celtic a token point, then docking Sevco a point the following week to even things up. Then docking Aberdeen or whoever was 3rd a point on enough occasions to prevent the Cheeks actually slipping down the table. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Do not hide the real problem in Scottish football, sectarianism, amongst all the other ists and isms of the moment. You deal with the major issue and problem first and that is overwhelmingly the Old Firm's sectarianism. Call it what it is or we'll get nowhere. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: Dosnt let me vote on the app ? Their is no poll ? Its a conspiracy! I uploaded it via my phone on my browser. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, 7-2 said: Do not hide the real problem in Scottish football, sectarianism, amongst all the other ists and isms of the moment. You deal with the major issue and problem first and that is overwhelmingly the Old Firm's sectarianism. Call it what it is or we'll get nowhere. Im not hiding it, I just think it should be all be dealt with the same way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairn Terrier Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Hammer the clubs, by deducting a single solitary point from their league total...everytime there is a political song sung, a sectarian song sun, a coin fired onto a football pitch, supporters breaching pitch-side barriers, seats broken (because of over-exuberance or otherwise), flags flown in support of terrorist organisations... ...Celtic would be absolutely fucked if that was the case, or they might actually get their house in order.Would you consider "God save the Queen" a political song? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie87 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) To take points off teams for fans chanting would require crystal clear information from the SFA in regards to what songs they would deem not acceptable, ive seen people on various forums saying some phrases are not bigoted and others are so it would need to be cleared up. Only thing im wary about is say if the SFA have a person watching at every ground in Scotland and they hear a couple of folk saying things that would breach the rules, would the club be deducted points or a heavy fine, literally because a couple of idiots (every club has them) ? If the chanting can clearly be heard and sung by a large amount of fans then fire away and deduct points or fine. The whataboutery that could get unleashed would be horrendous just so they could get their rivals hammered by a fine or deduction. Edited March 1, 2019 by Killie87 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Killie87 said: To take points off teams for fans chanting would require crystal clear information from the SFA in regards to what songs they would deem not acceptable, ive seen people on various forums saying some phrases are not bigoted and others are so it would need to be cleared up. Only thing im wary about is say if the SFA have a person watching at every ground in Scotland and they hear a couple of folk saying things that would breach the rules, would the club be deducted points or a heavy fine, literally because a couple of idiots (every club has them) ? If the chanting can clearly be heard and sung by a large amount of fans then fire away and deduct points or fine. The whataboutery that could get unleashed would be horrendous just so they could get their rivals hammered by a fine or deduction. So could the offended fans, player or club issue a complaint to the SFA, who then investigate the incident and then decide on punishment/no punishment to the offenders? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snifter Pee Rot Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Hammer them with closed door games via an independent monitoring body sanctioned by the sfa. This stain needs removed once and for all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Snifter Pee Rot said: Hammer them with closed door games via an independent monitoring body sanctioned by the sfa. This stain needs removed once and for all. Bearing in mind the absolute burach the current semi-independent compliance/disciplinary process has become and you'd be better leaving it to the police, with statutory punishments for guilty parties clarified from day 1. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killie87 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, johnnydun said: So could the offended fans, player or club issue a complaint to the SFA, who then investigate the incident and then decide on punishment/no punishment to the offenders? Im 100 percent for clubs being liable for their fans actions, all im asking is that the SFA have a solid method in placeif this goes ahead, look at the discipline procedure they seem to make it up as they go, you cannot do that with a subject as serious as this. Edited March 1, 2019 by Killie87 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Anybody fancy a fight? Im free around 4pm today for about 10 minutes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Anybody fancy a fight? Im free around 4pm today for about 10 minutes. What will I do for the other 9 minutes? Suppose I could take some compromising pictures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, tree house tam said: What will I do for the other 9 minutes? Suppose I could take some compromising pictures. Have a bit more confidence in yourself Tam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srw Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 To those who say sectarianism and violence cant be dealt with, it can, and it must. Racism used to be tolerated, it has been banished. There needs to be a realistic approach, people cant hide behind the usual excuses, small minority, 90 minute bigot, just atmosphere etc etc etc 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Steve_Wilkos said: It can't be dealt with. There are too many neanderthals in Glasgow and the central belt. Well that's that then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 hours ago, ONeils4Oyarder said: Hammer the clubs, by deducting a single solitary point from their league total...everytime there is a political song sung, a sectarian song sun, a coin fired onto a football pitch, supporters breaching pitch-side barriers, seats broken (because of over-exuberance or otherwise), flags flown in support of terrorist organisations... ...Celtic would be absolutely fucked if that was the case, or they might actually get their house in order. How would a political song be established as offensive? Coin throwing and vandalism are already offences, as is encroaching on the pitch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, tree house tam said: What will I do for the other 9 minutes? I suppose the ambulance journey to Ninewells will keep you occupied. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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