thisal Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 IMO he will be a big loss to the national team. He has been a big influence on Tierney McGregor and Forrest and even Scott Brown and Griffiths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 What a load of shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, The Moonster said: What a load of shite. It's not though is it? There have been very clear improvements in players like McGregor since Rodgers took over Celtic. I couldn't stand the man but to suggest he didn't improve Celtic's Scottish based players is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, Londonwell said: It's not though is it? There have been very clear improvements in players like McGregor since Rodgers took over Celtic. I couldn't stand the man but to suggest he didn't improve Celtic's Scottish based players is laughable. Are you suggesting that McGregor and Forrest will now forget everything Brendan has taught them and revert to how they were previously? Of course they won't. Rodgers has had a positive impact on them without a doubt, but to think that the players will stop improving simply because he's gone is laughable. Quite how his affect on a retired Scott Brown or a Leigh Griffiths who isn't anywhere near ready to be starting for Scotland at the moment is going to be a big loss to the National team is anyone's guess. So aye, it is a load of shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Are you suggesting that McGregor and Forrest will now forget everything Brendan has taught them and revert to how they were previously? Of course they won't. Rodgers has had a positive impact on them without a doubt, but to think that the players will stop improving simply because he's gone is laughable. Quite how his affect on a retired Scott Brown or a Leigh Griffiths who isn't anywhere near ready to be starting for Scotland at the moment is going to be a big loss to the National team is anyone's guess. So aye, it is a load of shite.You talk absolute rubbish as usual not only has he improved McGregor Tierney Bain Christie Armstrong and Forrest what about the next generation of Johnston and Henderson who were developing well under Rogers and may not get their chance how. If you don’t think Rogers leaving is not a negative for the national team your deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisal Posted February 26, 2019 Author Share Posted February 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Are you suggesting that McGregor and Forrest will now forget everything Brendan has taught them and revert to how they were previously? Of course they won't. Rodgers has had a positive impact on them without a doubt, but to think that the players will stop improving simply because he's gone is laughable. Quite how his affect on a retired Scott Brown or a Leigh Griffiths who isn't anywhere near ready to be starting for Scotland at the moment is going to be a big loss to the National team is anyone's guess. So aye, it is a load of shite. Calm it. He has brought in young Scottish players and improved others, Forrest in particular. and you have to assume he would keep doing it. it's not my fault you're a thick f**k and can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, skippy2015 said: You talk absolute rubbish as usual not only has he improved McGregor Tierney Bain Christie Armstrong and Forrest what about the next generation of Johnston and Henderson who were developing well under Rogers and may not get their chance how. If you don’t think Rogers leaving is not a negative for the national team your deluded. Answer my point - will McGregor, Forrest, Tierney, Bain, whoever the f**k you like to add to this list of world beaters Rodgers has now created, now forget everything they've been taught and return to being average/shite players? If you believe that then you don't have much (or any) confidence in these players ability. Who's replacing Rodgers? How do you know he won't favour youth? How do you know the next guy doesn't have an even better affect on these players? 1 minute ago, thisal said: Calm it. He has brought in young Scottish players and improved others, Forrest in particular. and you have to assume he would keep doing it. it's not my fault you're a thick f**k and can't see it. I'm perfectly calm and I agree he has improved players. What you and your pal skippy have done though is assume the outcome of this can only be negative one when you don't have a clue where Celtic will go next with their appointment. Why won't the next Celtic manager improve these players? Why won't these players continue to learn and improve under a different manager? Will the aforementioned players even still be at Celtic in the next year or two? Will they all need to move to Leicester to play under Brendan to continue to improve? Assuming that the only affect this will have on our players will be a negative one is so fucking Scottish it's unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I'm perfectly calm and I agree he has improved players. What you and your pal skippy have done though is assume the outcome of this can only be negative one when you don't have a clue where Celtic will go next with their appointment. Why won't the next Celtic manager improve these players? Why won't these players continue to learn and improve under a different manager? Will the aforementioned players even still be at Celtic in the next year or two? Will they all need to move to Leicester to play under Brendan to continue to improve? Assuming that the only affect this will have on our players will be a negative one is so fucking Scottish it's unreal.Impossible to answer depends on the individual. The more sensible question is will they continue to improve? And will the new generation ie Henderson or johnston get a chance and continue to improve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 My feeling is that the It would take a world class manager who probably wouldn’t be interested in moving to Celtic to improve these players the way Rogers has Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, skippy2015 said: Impossible to answer depends on the individual. The more sensible question is will they continue to improve? And will the new generation ie Henderson or johnston get a chance and continue to improve? Eh? It's impossible to answer but you think a better question is will they keep improving? It's impossible to answer because we don't know who Celtic appoint next, ergo, this assumption that it's a "big loss" to the National team is ridiculous. It might be a loss to us, it might not, but as usual Scottish folk need to take the negative view of it. 8 minutes ago, skippy2015 said: My feeling is that the It would take a world class manager who probably wouldn’t be interested in moving to Celtic to improve these players the way Rogers has Is Rodgers world class? He's a good manager and will have been getting paid a very good wage at Celtic. I don't see why Celtic wouldn't be able to attract a similar level of manager with the wages and competitions they're involved in every season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 53 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Are you suggesting that McGregor and Forrest will now forget everything Brendan has taught them and revert to how they were previously? Of course they won't. Rodgers has had a positive impact on them without a doubt, but to think that the players will stop improving simply because he's gone is laughable. Quite how his affect on a retired Scott Brown or a Leigh Griffiths who isn't anywhere near ready to be starting for Scotland at the moment is going to be a big loss to the National team is anyone's guess. So aye, it is a load of shite. Where have I or anyone else said they will they will forget what they have learned? Im not sure what you’re struggling with here, it’s quite simple. Rodgers improved players and that benefitted the national team, losing Rodgers ability to improve players is bad news for the national team. I feel like I’m having to dumb myself down here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Also who knows a new manager may want to bring in his own players and break up the midfield or Rogers could come back and sign a couple at a time when it could be advantageous to Scotland having the Christie McGregor Forrest Tierney Bain Burke griffiths potentially in the same team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Londonwell said: Where have I or anyone else said they will they will forget what they have learned? Im not sure what you’re struggling with here, it’s quite simple. Rodgers improved players and that benefitted the national team, losing Rodgers ability to improve players is bad news for the national team. I feel like I’m having to dumb myself down here. Why would it be a big loss then? He's improved these players to a good level and we're all happy with where they're at. It's only bad news for national team if our players stop improving, I think it's disingenuous to suggest that Rodgers and only Rodgers can improve these guys. Just now, skippy2015 said: Also who knows a new manager may want to bring in his own players and break up the midfield or Rogers could come back and sign a couple at a time when it could be advantageous to Scotland having the Christie McGregor Forrest Tierney Bain Burke griffiths potentially in the same team Making loads of (negative) assumptions again. What if Celtic get a gaffer in who is excellent at improving players and wants to build a home-grown team at Celtic? Wouldn't that be fantastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I think there's a bit of truth here. Rogers has had a better influence on Scottish players than any other OF manager that I can remember. It's not tremendously likely that whoever comes next will have as positive an impact. In terms of the current crop, what's the chances that Forrest, McGregor and Tierney won't be top of his shopping list in the summer? I don't think it's a huge loss. Apart from anything else, we don't have anything huge to lose. But he has been (indirectly) helpful, which is rare for a Celtic manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 1 minute ago, The Moonster said: Why would it be a big loss then? He's improved these players to a good level and we're all happy with where they're at. It's only bad news for national team if our players stop improving, I think it's disingenuous to suggest that Rodgers and only Rodgers can improve these guys. Making loads of (negative) assumptions again. What if Celtic get a gaffer in who is excellent at improving players and wants to build a home-grown team at Celtic? Wouldn't that be fantastic? What if, what if. Rodgers has a proven track record of improving players. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Making loads of (negative) assumptions again. What if Celtic get a gaffer in who is excellent at improving players and wants to build a home-grown team at Celtic? Wouldn't that be fantastic? I will go with the odds Rogers has been the best Celtic manager at developing scottish players for 40 years. The chances of them getting someone better although not impossible is highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Monster ur that guy in the casino at 3 in the morning that doubles down on 18 when the dealer holds a 4 [emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 49 minutes ago, skippy2015 said: My feeling is that the It would take a world class manager who probably wouldn’t be interested in moving to Celtic to improve these players the way Rogers has What is a "world class Manager" though ? Nowadays you're only as good as your past couple of results, Ranieri is an excellent example of the extremes, Leicester winning the Premiership as a huge positive but his horrific tenure as Greece national team Manager as a huge negative with lots of mixed results throughout his long career in Spain, Italy, France & England. We then have Solskjaer seen as the new messiah at Old Trafford but again his short Managerial career is far from spectacular at Molde & Cardiff, if Man Utd get knocked out by PSG and fail to win in their next couple of league matches then I think we all know that he'll be dumped by United. Moyes is another, great record at Everton, inherited a nightmare at Old Trafford and then failed at Sociedad. My own views are that guys like Stevie Clarke, Ian Holloway, Neil Warnock etc have had to do it the hard way and have in fact improved the majority of clubs they've been at, however they're not the most fashionable so never get talked about as "great" Managers. We obviously have guys such as Guardiola and Zidane but they've both been pretty much handed success on a plate and the jury is still out on how good they actually are, that's just the nature of the beast I'm afraid........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy2015 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 What is a "world class Manager" though ? Nowadays you're only as good as your past couple of results, Ranieri is an excellent example of the extremes, Leicester winning the Premiership as a huge positive but his horrific tenure as Greece national team Manager as a huge negative with lots of mixed results throughout his long career in Spain, Italy, France & England. We then have Solskjaer seen as the new messiah at Old Trafford but again his short Managerial career is far from spectacular at Molde & Cardiff, if Man Utd get knocked out by PSG and fail to win in their next couple of league matches then I think we all know that he'll be dumped by United. Moyes is another, great record at Everton, inherited a nightmare at Old Trafford and then failed at Sociedad. My own views are that guys like Stevie Clarke, Ian Holloway, Neil Warnock etc have had to do it the hard way and have in fact improved the majority of clubs they've been at, however they're not the most fashionable so never get talked about as "great" Managers. We obviously have guys such as Guardiola and Zidane but they've both been pretty much handed success on a plate and the jury is still out on how good they actually are, that's just the nature of the beast I'm afraid...........Basically Celtic will have a hard time getting a better manager at developing and improving players that’s the simplest way to look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 50 minutes ago, Londonwell said: What if, what if. Rodgers has a proven track record of improving players. The end. Yes, it's of course impossible for Celtic to appoint another manager with a proven track record. 44 minutes ago, skippy2015 said: Monster ur that guy in the casino at 3 in the morning that doubles down on 18 when the dealer holds a 4 More of a roulette man myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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