wellinwigan Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Really, C'mon, c'mon... Are you in his gang ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cambozpar Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Hes the leader Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 The only reason I know who Gary Glitter is as a musician is because I follow the NHL. There are surely better things to have come out of glam rock than a beast who in his prime looked like yer da wearing a perm and dressing up as Ming the Merciless for Halloween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: The only reason I know who Gary Glitter is as a musician is because I follow the NHL. There are surely better things to have come out of glam rock than a beast who in his prime looked like yer da wearing a perm and dressing up as Ming the Merciless for Halloween. The Sweet, Little Willy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Just now, Sergeant Wilson said: The Sweet, Little Willy. Music's moved on from your day chief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Music's moved on from your day chief Not for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeoranger Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 These allegations in this documentary are nonsensical. The FBI secretly investigate Michael Jackson for four years - tracking his where abouts, his computers, phone calls, etc and release a 300 plus page file completely vindicating him, stating there was absolutely nothing to even remotely suggest he was an abuser, and the general public (and media) completely ignores it. Yet two admitted liars and perjurers (one of which who even refers to himself as a ‘master of deception’) can come out with a completely one sided, sensationalist story (yes story not documentary) which contains literally no evidence whatsoever (and is full of inconsistencies) and a large majority of the public doesn’t even question it. The jurors who found Michael Jackson not guilty in his 2005 trial agree with the FBI. Juror Paulina Coccoz said: ‘It was pretty obvious there was no molestation done...it was pretty obvious that there were ulterior motives on behalf of the family. And the mother, she orchestrated the whole thing..there wasn’t a shred of evidence’. Just because a story is graphic and disturbing doesn’t make it factual. Before you judge anything do your research. Facts don’t lie, people do. The bottom line is, If you want to view Michael Jackson as a pedophile, you will. It’s easy to do. He admitted to allowing children to sleep in his bedroom (which itself is the same size as a small two story house) and has been accused of child molestation more then once. He’s not the guy next door, was undeniably eccentric, and most certainly didn’t live a conventional life. However, to anyone who has bothered to look into the allegations against him - and I mean really look into them - there is more than enough evidence to demonstrate that he was a victim of extortion and of copycat false claims for the past twenty five years. Yet despite the Los Angeles Police Department stating that Jackson should be presumed to be innocent, despite a jury finding him not guilty on every single charge against him, despite the Los Angeles Department of Children and Family Services twice investigating and clearing him of wrongdoing, despite the FBI conducting a very thorough investigation in which no evidence of wrongdoing was found, and despite the cash grab lawsuits of his posthumous accusers being tossed out of court, the court of public opinion may sadly be what defines this saga and a large part of his legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, rodeoranger said: These allegations in this documentary are nonsensical. The FBI secretly investigate Michael Jackson for four years - tracking his where abouts, his computers, phone calls, etc and release a 300 plus page file completely vindicating him, stating there was absolutely nothing to even remotely suggest he was an abuser, and the general public (and media) completely ignores it. Yet two admitted liars and perjurers (one of which who even refers to himself as a ‘master of deception’) can come out with a completely one sided, sensationalist story (yes story not documentary) which contains literally no evidence whatsoever (and is full of inconsistencies) and a large majority of the public doesn’t even question it. The jurors who found Michael Jackson not guilty in his 2005 trial agree with the FBI. Juror Paulina Coccoz said: ‘It was pretty obvious there was no molestation done...it was pretty obvious that there were ulterior motives on behalf of the family. And the mother, she orchestrated the whole thing..there wasn’t a shred of evidence’. Just because a story is graphic and disturbing doesn’t make it factual. Before you judge anything do your research. Facts don’t lie, people do. The bottom line is, If you want to view Michael Jackson as a pedophile, you will. It’s easy to do. He admitted to allowing children to sleep in his bedroom (which itself is the same size as a small two story house) and has been accused of child molestation more then once. He’s not the guy next door, was undeniably eccentric, and most certainly didn’t live a conventional life. However, to anyone who has bothered to look into the allegations against him - and I mean really look into them - there is more than enough evidence to demonstrate that he was a victim of extortion and of copycat false claims for the past twenty five years. Yet despite the Los Angeles Police Department stating that Jackson should be presumed to be innocent, despite a jury finding him not guilty on every single charge against him, despite the Los Angeles Department of Children and Family Services twice investigating and clearing him of wrongdoing, despite the FBI conducting a very thorough investigation in which no evidence of wrongdoing was found, and despite the cash grab lawsuits of his posthumous accusers being tossed out of court, the court of public opinion may sadly be what defines this saga and a large part of his legacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeoranger Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Now try submitting a constructive reply which you have thought out yourself. I realise that may prove difficult for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellinwigan Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, rodeoranger said: These allegations in this documentary are nonsensical. The FBI secretly investigate Michael Jackson for four years - tracking his where abouts, his computers, phone calls, etc and release a 300 plus page file completely vindicating him, stating there was absolutely nothing to even remotely suggest he was an abuser, and the general public (and media) completely ignores it. Yet two admitted liars and perjurers (one of which who even refers to himself as a ‘master of deception’) can come out with a completely one sided, sensationalist story (yes story not documentary) which contains literally no evidence whatsoever (and is full of inconsistencies) and a large majority of the public doesn’t even question it. The jurors who found Michael Jackson not guilty in his 2005 trial agree with the FBI. Juror Paulina Coccoz said: ‘It was pretty obvious there was no molestation done...it was pretty obvious that there were ulterior motives on behalf of the family. And the mother, she orchestrated the whole thing..there wasn’t a shred of evidence’. Just because a story is graphic and disturbing doesn’t make it factual. Before you judge anything do your research. Facts don’t lie, people do. The bottom line is, If you want to view Michael Jackson as a pedophile, you will. It’s easy to do. He admitted to allowing children to sleep in his bedroom (which itself is the same size as a small two story house) and has been accused of child molestation more then once. He’s not the guy next door, was undeniably eccentric, and most certainly didn’t live a conventional life. However, to anyone who has bothered to look into the allegations against him - and I mean really look into them - there is more than enough evidence to demonstrate that he was a victim of extortion and of copycat false claims for the past twenty five years. Yet despite the Los Angeles Police Department stating that Jackson should be presumed to be innocent, despite a jury finding him not guilty on every single charge against him, despite the Los Angeles Department of Children and Family Services twice investigating and clearing him of wrongdoing, despite the FBI conducting a very thorough investigation in which no evidence of wrongdoing was found, and despite the cash grab lawsuits of his posthumous accusers being tossed out of court, the court of public opinion may sadly be what defines this saga and a large part of his legacy. Michael ^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, rodeoranger said: Now try submitting a constructive reply which you have thought out yourself. I realise that may prove difficult for you. Why have you signed up to a Scottish football forum to make a lengthy post in defence of child abuse claims against Michael Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeoranger Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Why have you signed up to a Scottish football forum to make a lengthy post in defence of child abuse claims against Michael Jackson? Why is there a thread on a Scottish football forum about Michael Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, rodeoranger said: These allegations in this documentary are nonsensical. The FBI secretly investigate Michael Jackson for four years - tracking his where abouts, his computers, phone calls, etc and release a 300 plus page file completely vindicating him, stating there was absolutely nothing to even remotely suggest he was an abuser, and the general public (and media) completely ignores it. Yet two admitted liars and perjurers (one of which who even refers to himself as a ‘master of deception’) can come out with a completely one sided, sensationalist story (yes story not documentary) which contains literally no evidence whatsoever (and is full of inconsistencies) and a large majority of the public doesn’t even question it. The jurors who found Michael Jackson not guilty in his 2005 trial agree with the FBI. Juror Paulina Coccoz said: ‘It was pretty obvious there was no molestation done...it was pretty obvious that there were ulterior motives on behalf of the family. And the mother, she orchestrated the whole thing..there wasn’t a shred of evidence’. Just because a story is graphic and disturbing doesn’t make it factual. Before you judge anything do your research. Facts don’t lie, people do. The bottom line is, If you want to view Michael Jackson as a pedophile, you will. It’s easy to do. He admitted to allowing children to sleep in his bedroom (which itself is the same size as a small two story house) and has been accused of child molestation more then once. He’s not the guy next door, was undeniably eccentric, and most certainly didn’t live a conventional life. However, to anyone who has bothered to look into the allegations against him - and I mean really look into them - there is more than enough evidence to demonstrate that he was a victim of extortion and of copycat false claims for the past twenty five years. Yet despite the Los Angeles Police Department stating that Jackson should be presumed to be innocent, despite a jury finding him not guilty on every single charge against him, despite the Los Angeles Department of Children and Family Services twice investigating and clearing him of wrongdoing, despite the FBI conducting a very thorough investigation in which no evidence of wrongdoing was found, and despite the cash grab lawsuits of his posthumous accusers being tossed out of court, the court of public opinion may sadly be what defines this saga and a large part of his legacy. ^^^nonce apologist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Just now, rodeoranger said: Why is there a thread on a Scottish football forum about Michael Jackson? Because this is the off-topic section of the message board where anyone can create threads about whatever they wish. Your turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, rodeoranger said: Why is there a thread on a Scottish football forum about Michael Jackson? It's in a sub forum called General Nonces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, rodeoranger said: These allegations in this documentary are nonsensical. The FBI secretly investigate Michael Jackson for four years - tracking his where abouts, his computers, phone calls, etc and release a 300 plus page file completely vindicating him, stating there was absolutely nothing to even remotely suggest he was an abuser, and the general public (and media) completely ignores it. Yet two admitted liars and perjurers (one of which who even refers to himself as a ‘master of deception’) can come out with a completely one sided, sensationalist story (yes story not documentary) which contains literally no evidence whatsoever (and is full of inconsistencies) and a large majority of the public doesn’t even question it. The jurors who found Michael Jackson not guilty in his 2005 trial agree with the FBI. Juror Paulina Coccoz said: ‘It was pretty obvious there was no molestation done...it was pretty obvious that there were ulterior motives on behalf of the family. And the mother, she orchestrated the whole thing..there wasn’t a shred of evidence’. Just because a story is graphic and disturbing doesn’t make it factual. Before you judge anything do your research. Facts don’t lie, people do. The bottom line is, If you want to view Michael Jackson as a pedophile, you will. It’s easy to do. He admitted to allowing children to sleep in his bedroom (which itself is the same size as a small two story house) and has been accused of child molestation more then once. He’s not the guy next door, was undeniably eccentric, and most certainly didn’t live a conventional life. However, to anyone who has bothered to look into the allegations against him - and I mean really look into them - there is more than enough evidence to demonstrate that he was a victim of extortion and of copycat false claims for the past twenty five years. Yet despite the Los Angeles Police Department stating that Jackson should be presumed to be innocent, despite a jury finding him not guilty on every single charge against him, despite the Los Angeles Department of Children and Family Services twice investigating and clearing him of wrongdoing, despite the FBI conducting a very thorough investigation in which no evidence of wrongdoing was found, and despite the cash grab lawsuits of his posthumous accusers being tossed out of court, the court of public opinion may sadly be what defines this saga and a large part of his legacy. Tito, is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeoranger Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Because this is the off-topic section of the message board where anyone can create threads about whatever they wish. Your turn. And I posted about the topic in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 26 minutes ago, rodeoranger said: These allegations in this documentary are nonsensical. The FBI secretly investigate Michael Jackson for four years - tracking his where abouts, his computers, phone calls, etc and release a 300 plus page file completely vindicating him, stating there was absolutely nothing to even remotely suggest he was an abuser, and the general public (and media) completely ignores it. Yet two admitted liars and perjurers (one of which who even refers to himself as a ‘master of deception’) can come out with a completely one sided, sensationalist story (yes story not documentary) which contains literally no evidence whatsoever (and is full of inconsistencies) and a large majority of the public doesn’t even question it. The jurors who found Michael Jackson not guilty in his 2005 trial agree with the FBI. Juror Paulina Coccoz said: ‘It was pretty obvious there was no molestation done...it was pretty obvious that there were ulterior motives on behalf of the family. And the mother, she orchestrated the whole thing..there wasn’t a shred of evidence’. Just because a story is graphic and disturbing doesn’t make it factual. Before you judge anything do your research. Facts don’t lie, people do. The bottom line is, If you want to view Michael Jackson as a pedophile, you will. It’s easy to do. He admitted to allowing children to sleep in his bedroom (which itself is the same size as a small two story house) and has been accused of child molestation more then once. He’s not the guy next door, was undeniably eccentric, and most certainly didn’t live a conventional life. However, to anyone who has bothered to look into the allegations against him - and I mean really look into them - there is more than enough evidence to demonstrate that he was a victim of extortion and of copycat false claims for the past twenty five years. Yet despite the Los Angeles Police Department stating that Jackson should be presumed to be innocent, despite a jury finding him not guilty on every single charge against him, despite the Los Angeles Department of Children and Family Services twice investigating and clearing him of wrongdoing, despite the FBI conducting a very thorough investigation in which no evidence of wrongdoing was found, and despite the cash grab lawsuits of his posthumous accusers being tossed out of court, the court of public opinion may sadly be what defines this saga and a large part of his legacy. Have the courage of your convictions man and use your regular username. FWIW, I don't disagree with much of what you're saying. He might have been a nonce, he might not, but I won't be making my mind up on the back of a hysteria bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sergeant Wilson Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dee Man said: I won't be making my mind up on the back of a hysteria bandwagon. I will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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