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Mathematical Certainty for 2019-20

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1 hour ago, GordonS said:

It's still not an answer to "how much did they spend on players?" I hear this kind of talk a lot but I never hear any numbers attached to it.

Unless yer on a clubs committee yer never gonnae know any figures. The fact that LTHV romped the old EOSFL for a few years probably backed up SN  s post. That wouldn't have been on youth players alone.

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13 minutes ago, superbigal said:

Probably mentioned before but if any of the conference winners are not in a position to gain entry to the lowland league they should really stand aside. Be happy with winning your conference but dont risk holding back pyramid progression. Shame eos did not stipulate this. Apologies if no likely team can end up being champion.

So you're asking a club to give up on a Championship and entry into next season's Scottish Cup for something that would likely be filled by application anyway?

The only reason there won't be a club from Tier 6 joining the Lowland League next year is if the HL champion is promoted seeing SPFL42 relegated to the Lowland League and the Lowland League voting for Whitehill Welfare and LL14 back in.

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Probably mentioned before but if any of the conference winners are not in a position to gain entry to the lowland league they should really stand aside. Be happy with winning your conference but dont risk holding back pyramid progression. Shame eos did not stipulate this. Apologies if no likely team can end up being champion.
You do realise a Scottish Cup place is up for grabs regardless of licence? Anyway, as long as the SFA dont play silly buggers there will be a licenced Champion.

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Just now, Burnie_man said:
1 hour ago, superbigal said:
Probably mentioned before but if any of the conference winners are not in a position to gain entry to the lowland league they should really stand aside. Be happy with winning your conference but dont risk holding back pyramid progression. Shame eos did not stipulate this. Apologies if no likely team can end up being champion.

You do realise a Scottish Cup place is up for grabs regardless of licence? Anyway, as long as the SFA dont play silly buggers there will be a licenced Champion.

No I overlooked the extra carrot.

What teams are still possible champions but have not applied for a license ?

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No I overlooked the extra carrot.
What teams are still possible champions but have not applied for a license ?
I think all of them have one or have applied. We'll find out for sure on, or soon after, the 18th.

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20 minutes ago, superbigal said:

No I overlooked the extra carrot.

What teams are still possible champions but have not applied for a license ?

There are really only 5 clubs at the moment that can be champions: Bonnnyrigg (Conf. B Champions), Penicuik (1st in Conf. A), Broxburn (1st in Conf. C), Hill of Beath (2nd in Conf. A) and Linlithgow (2nd in Conf. C).

Linlithgow already have their license, everyone else is at some stage of the application process. Only Bonnyrigg are without floodlights but are working on it. Hopefully it won't be an issue.

 

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Yes, if the Licence committee have decided they meet all requirements (they already have lights) and forwarded to SFA board then in reality it's a rubber stamping exercise, like Blackburn.

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17 hours ago, lowenan said:

If Cove gets promoted, place 15 in the SLFL will also go down, as Berwick/Albion Rovers enter the SLFL, and East Kilbride stays put. Dalbeattie will almost certainly finish 15th. Both WW and Dalbeattie will have to apply for the 16th spot. If Dalbeattie wins reelection. WW will fill a place in the EOS Premier, without two going up....

16th and 15th should read bottom and second bottom. Don't think it's automatic that DS get relegated in the Cove promoted scenario. It depends on WW having been relegated and replaced by another club from either the EoS or SoS to create the need for the extra vacancy. That means if there is no licensed champion available only WW are relegated under the Cove scenario. If they get voted back in, you only need one sixth placed team for next season's EoS premier. If they get voted out and replaced by a non-EoS Premier applicant (licensed SoS clubs, Girvan and Glasgow Uni can also apply), you don't need any sixth placed teams. If bottom and second bottom got relegated to the EoS premier and the SoS champion got promoted in the Cove scenario you would potentially only have needed 2 of 3 fifth placed teams, but that scenario is no longer feasible as far as I'm aware anyway.

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Normally the bottom two in the Lowland League would get relegated if the Highland League team gets promoted. I was under the impression that it would be the same this season, and that there would still be a place to apply for. However, I would expect Dalbeattie to win through.

Really doubt that Girvan or Glasgow Uni would get elected ahead of Linlithgow Rose or Whitehill Welfare.

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On 4/6/2019 at 22:29, lowenan said:

...There is no likely scenario where 6th in C gets to play in the EOS Premier. 

No Cove promotion, LL champion replaces WW and then Selkirk vacancy is filled by an EoS premier team means only two sixth places are needed, as does a reprieve for WW to fill the selkirk vacancy. Only way it could have happened would have been if the relegated team (or teams in the Cove scenario) had been from the SoS catchment creating scope for a net shift of two teams from the EoS to the LL, if there was no reprieve.

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Nearly there after some midweek action. Dunbar United have 5th in Conference A assured as Coldstream can no longer catch them. Basically looking at the battle for 5th in Conference B & C and how many 6th placed spots may be needed.

EoS Premier Division:

  1. Bo'ness United
  2. Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic
  3. Broxburn Athletic
  4. Camelon Juniors
  5. Dunbar United
  6. Dundonald Bluebell
  7. Hill of Beath Hawthorn
  8. Jeanfield Swifts
  9. Linlithgow Rose
  10. Musselburgh Athletic
  11. Newtongrange Star
  12. Penicuik Athletic

EoS First Divison(s) or Conferences:

  1. Arniston Rangers
  2. Burntisland Shipyard
  3. Craigroyston
  4. Dunipace
  5. Easthouses Lily Miners Welfare
  6. Edinburgh United
  7. Eyemouth United
  8. Hawick Royal Albert
  9. Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
  10. Oakley United
  11. Ormiston
  12. Peebles Rovers
  13. Tweedmouth Rangers
  14. Tynecastle
  15. University of Stirling EoS

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Looks like 5th and 6th place in Conference B is going to go right to the wire, 27th might be the pivotal day.

We also now know for certain that EoS Champion is promoted (Licence permitting) as SoS Champions are Stranraer Reserves.

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Tranent Juniors are now guaranteed at worse the best 6th place spot in the EoS and can only be nudged that low if Dalkeith win out with a superior goal difference. Conference A is decided in what representatives they will send to next year's EoS Premier and for best 6th place.

Defeats for St Andews and Coldstream see them in Tier 7 for 2019-20.

EoS Championship Round Robin:

Conference A:

Conference B: Bonnyrigg Rose

Conference C:

EoS Premier Division:

  1. Bo'ness United
  2. Bonnyrigg Rose (Conference B Champion)
  3. Broxburn Athletic
  4. Camelon Juniors
  5. Dunbar United
  6. Dundonald Bluebell
  7. Hill of Beath Hawthorn
  8. Jeanfield Swifts
  9. Linlithgow Rose
  10. Musselburgh Athletic
  11. Newtongrange Star
  12. Penicuik Athletic
  13. Tranent Juniors

Best 6th Place

1st:

2nd : Leith Athletic

3rd :

EoS First Divison(s) or Conferences:

  1. Arniston Rangers
  2. Burntisland Shipyard
  3. Coldstream
  4. Craigroyston
  5. Dunipace
  6. Easthouses Lily MW
  7. Edinburgh United
  8. Eyemouth United
  9. Hawick Royal Albert
  10. Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
  11. Leith Athletic
  12. Oakley United
  13. Ormiston
  14. Peebles Rovers
  15. St Andrews United
  16. Tweedmouth Rangers
  17. Tynecastle
  18. University of Stirling EoS

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The only unknown is best 6th placed finish which is going to be between Sauchie Juniors and Dalkeith Thistle. While Sauchie can catch Crossgates points wise, the goal difference is insurmountable with one game to go.

Hopefully we find out soon the the Conference Champions have received licenses so that promotion is assured regardless of the overall EoS Champion.

EoS Championship Round Robin:

Conference A: Penicuik Athletic

Conference B: Bonnyrigg Rose

Conference C: Broxburn Athletic

Saturday 27th April
Penicuik Athletic v. Broxburn Athletic

Tuesday 30th April or Wednesday 1st May
Bonnyrigg Rose v. Penicuik Athletic

Saturday 4th May
Broxburn Athletic v. Bonnyrigg Rose

EoS Premier Division:

  1. Blackburn United
  2. Bo'ness United
  3. Bonnyrigg Rose (Conference B Champion)
  4. Broxburn Athletic (Conference C Champion)
  5. Camelon Juniors
  6. Crossgates Primrose
  7. Dunbar United
  8. Dundonald Bluebell
  9. Hill of Beath Hawthorn
  10. Jeanfield Swifts
  11. Linlithgow Rose
  12. Musselburgh Athletic
  13. Newtongrange Star
  14. Penicuik Athletic (Conference A Champion)
  15. Tranent Juniors

Best 6th Place

1st: Sauchie Juniors or Dalkeith Thistle

2nd : Leith Athletic

3rd : Preston Athletic

EoS First Divison(s) or Conferences:

  1. Arniston Rangers
  2. Burntisland Shipyard
  3. Coldstream
  4. Craigroyston
  5. Dalkeith Thistle
  6. Dunipace
  7. Easthouses Lily MW
  8. Edinburgh United
  9. Eyemouth United
  10. Haddington Athletic
  11. Hawick Royal Albert
  12. Heriot-Watt University
  13. Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
  14. Leith Athletic (2nd Best 6th Place)
  15. Lothian Thistle HV
  16. Oakley United
  17. Ormiston
  18. Peebles Rovers
  19. Preston Athletic (3rd Best 6th Place)
  20. Sauchie Juniors
  21. St Andrews United
  22. Tweedmouth Rangers
  23. Tynecastle
  24. University of Stirling EoS

Applicants:

  1. Glenrothes
  2. Glenrothes Strollers
  3. Syngenta

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SJFA East Region Superleague 2017/18

1 Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic

2 Linlithgow Rose

3 Penicuik Athletic

4 Dundonald Bluebell

5 Broxburn Athletic

6 Lochee United

7 Hill of Beath Hawthorn

8 Bo'ness United

9 Camelon Juniors

10 Broughty Athletic

11 Newtongrange Star

12 Carnoustie Panmure

13 Sauchie Juniors

14 Jeanfield Swifts

15 Kennoway Star Hearts

16 Forfar West End

 

Musselburgh Athletic won the Premier League that  year, ahead of Fauldhouse.

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There might be no former EOS side in next year’s Premier, even if Leith, LTHV and Preston have all been about as close as you can get. Leith as the second best 6th place, Preston as the third best 6th place, and LTHV likely to be the 7th placed team with most points, and could be the team with most points that didn’t make it to the EOS Premier. Of course Leith could still make it with their second best 6th place.

If Sauchie qualifies (highly likely), every current EOS team that were qualified for the SJFA East Superleague in 18/19 had they not left the juniors, have now avoided tier 7. Tranent, Dunbar, Blackburn and Crossgates are the four that have gone beyond what they had, to make up the new EOS Premier, replacing Lochee, Broughty, Carnoustie and  Fauldhouse (Kennoway and Forfar had gotten relegated).

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The EOS has lost many teams to the Lowland League over time., which fully explains that. However, the best of the original EOS teams are likely to dominate tier 7 next season. 

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1 hour ago, lowenan said:

The EOS has lost many teams to the Lowland League over time., which fully explains that. However, the best of the original EOS teams are likely to dominate tier 7 next season. 

I feel for Preston especially coming that close and having been in position for so long. Hopefully the playoffs and applications work out in Leith Athletic's favour.

As for dominate Tier 7 i'm not so sure that's how I would phrase it. There are certainly clubs that based on this year have shown they will be competitive for promotion. Which is something we can start thinking about. What's Tier 7 going to look like and what's promotion and relegation from EoS Premier and Tier 7 going to look like.

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