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Not sure what is not fair about it, each conference winner play a game at home and a game away from home, to make it two legs would complicate it and turn it into a bit of a farce. These 3 games will be very exciting.

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Not sure what is not fair about it, each conference winner play a game at home and a game away from home, to make it two legs would complicate it and turn it into a bit of a farce. These 3 games will be very exciting.
I think Conference C get the best draw, with a week between matches and the likely best opponent at home, so it's not as balanced as, say, a home-and-away with an even number of teams. But it's not so unbalanced that it's worth bothering about.

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As soon as you have 3 conferences the number of games (and dates) needed jumps from 1 or 2 up to either 3 or 6. Clearly the main disadvantage is that with an odd number of teams someone doesn't play on the last day.

You could avoid this by adding in the best runner-up to make 4. However that would see 2 clubs having 2 home games and 2 clubs having only 1 home game: unless you played a pair of games at neutral venues (i.e. so everyone got 1 home / 1 neutral / 1 away). More fundamentally, the other runners-up would be grumpy - and there'd be a chance the runner-up could win the league!


Playing only 3 games instead of 6 games is actually a help there. Playing 6 games sees various scenarios where one team playing on the last day cannot finish top (so haven't much incentive to try), plus it's possible for the last 1 or 2 games to be deadrubbers. Playing 3 games there is only a single such scenario, plus only 1 game can be a deadrubber (and if so the side not playing have already won).


Clearly they are not a precedent at 20 years and 110 years distance... but it's worth saying the 3 game model was used the only time a 3-way tie ever occurred in the Scottish League (to settle 1914-15 Division Two), and was to be used the only time a three-way playoff was ever used in the Scottish League (to settle SPL expansion for 2000-01: but Falkirk didn't have 10,000 seats).

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If I remember right, was the playoff for SPL expansion not all to be played at neutral venues?

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Don't recall that but could be right. Little online and it isn't even detailed in that or next season's League Reviews, while Aberdeen's history wrongly says they dodged a 2-leg playoff v Falkirk.

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6 hours ago, Winkles said:

Well that's me shot diwn in flames.

Still find it a strange format for such important games.

Teams all around the world play home and away to provide fairness and balance. This format is not fair or balanced.

 

You don’t get leagues all around the world that have to deal with twice as many new members as existing members. The conferences are a one-off this season. This is the best way of dealing with it. If there are playoffs in future years apart from the automatic slot, you would expect them to be two legged.

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6 hours ago, Winkles said:

Well that's me shot diwn in flames.

Still find it a strange format for such important games.

Teams all around the world play home and away to provide fairness and balance. This format is not fair or balanced.

Teams around the world play home and away for two legged ties as there's big distances between them resulting in home advantage with travel time and more home fans. In the EOS we're talking Penicuik to Bonnyrigg to Broxburn.

You're about the only one to have complained so it can't be that bad. :)

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It should. The team that wins will finish second in the EOS this season. 

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1 hour ago, old speckled hen said:

If team A wins the first two games to gain six points, would the third game still be played?

It would get played. 

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So after last-day drama we finally know the Title Round Robin make-up, including a midweek Midlothian derby:


Saturday 27th April
Penicuik Athletic v Broxburn Athletic

Wednesday 1st May
Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic v Penicuik Athletic

Saturday 4th May
Broxburn Athletic v Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic


Any game which ends in a draw goes to a penalty shoot-out for a bonus point, to lessen the chance of a dead heat. In the unlikely event 2 or all 3 teams are tied on points, goal difference, goals for, head-to-head result, away goals, and away goals in head-to-head result, then Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic would be champion, on the basis of having the best record in the conferences - their points total being 67pts in comparison to 66pts for Broxburn and 63pts for Penicuik. Although few - none? - would've thought of it as such, their closing league wins over LTHV and Eyemouth could yet pay dividends.

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There was a bit of a preview today with Penicuik hosting Bonnyrigg in the League Cup 2nd Round.

Ended up Penicuik 2-4 Bonnyrigg

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Good luck to both teams this afternoon as the Title Round Robin gets underway.

Penicuik will be looking to make home advantage count while Broxburn know at least avoiding defeat can put them in a good position for their home game next week. Bonnyrigg watch on with interest...

Reminder that if drawn it goes to penalties for a bonus point. Bonnyrigg has uploaded the full rules:


http://www.bonnyriggrosefc.co.uk/teams/118321/news/round-robin-playoffs-2420824.html

 

A guide to the rules.

With the first match in the conference play-offs due to take place today between Penicuik Athletic and Broxburn Athletic at Penicuik Park, the following is hopefully a helpful guide to the play-off rules which were distributed to all clubs before the start of the season:



Title Round Robin

1. the champions of the three divisions will contest a title round robin stage

2. the title round robin stage shall be played on a home or away principle, with each club playing one home game and one away game, what club plays which opponent at home and which away being decided randomly; three points for a win and one point for a draw. Where a match is drawn it will be followed by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark as defined by International FA Board rules, the winner receiving a further one point. At the end of the competition the club with the highest points total will be declared champion of the league, and – subject to eligibility – will compete in the pyramid playoff competition for promotion to the Scottish Lowland Football League

3. if two or all three clubs in the title round robin stage are equal on points the deciding criteria will be in turn: (i) goal difference, (ii) goals scored, (iii) the result of the head-to-head match between the clubs concerned, (iv) goals scored away from home, (v) goals scored away from home in the head-to-head match or matches between the clubs concerned

4. where two or all three clubs are still equal on all of these criteria, the final deciding criteria will be whichever had the best record in their respective divisions, in turn: (i) points, (ii) goal difference, (iii) goals scored, (iv) goals scored away from home

5. no trialist or unregistered player may play in the title round robin stage

6. the title round robin stage is part of the league competition group for suspension purposes

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Penicuik 3 Broxburn 2.

A deserved win for the home side despite some late Broxburn pressure in the last 10 mins.

 

Attendance around the 370 mark

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28 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

Penicuik 3 Broxburn 2.

A deserved win for the home side despite some late Broxburn pressure in the last 10 mins.

 

Attendance around the 370 mark

Penicuik was the better side, but neither keeper inspired confidence. Wayne McIntosh's goal just after half time was a peach.

I think the crowd was 500 or more. It certainly looked as many, if not more than last Saturday's game, when they clinched the conference. Last Saturday's attendance was 495.

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Our keeper's been brilliant this season but made 2 costly mistakes today. Still have him in goals on Saturday, he's quality. Penicuik where the deserved winners today overall, so now all eyes on them and Bonnyrigg on Wednesday. Good luck

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1 minute ago, albynpark said:

Our keeper's been brilliant this season but made 2 costly mistakes today. Still have him in goals on Saturday, he's quality. Penicuik where the deserved winners today overall, so now all eyes on them and Bonnyrigg on Wednesday. Good luck

He had some great saves today and would,nt blame him for the goals.

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29 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

Penicuik was the better side, but neither keeper inspired confidence. Wayne McIntosh's goal just after half time was a peach.

I think the crowd was 500 or more. It certainly looked as many, if not more than last Saturday's game, when they clinched the conference. Last Saturday's attendance was 495.

There was no way it was that high, not even over 400.  Even overheard two Penicuik guys commenting on how it wasnt as big as last two games.

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14 minutes ago, leftbehind said:

He had some great saves today and would,nt blame him for the goals.

I would.  For the first he came out like superman and got nowhere near the ball, second goodness knows what he was doing, the ball went straight through him.

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There was no way it was that high, not even over 400.  Even overheard two Penicuik guys commenting on how it wasnt as big as last two games.


Clubs official attendance was 454.

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