welshbairn Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Of course you can but I don't think this wee guy is of sound mind. It's not an excuse for him, but I don't know how someone so opportunistic, callous and with the complete lack of empathy he has shown can't be considered a psychopath. Over 100 injuries on a defenceless wee girl and going about your business as if f**k all happened isn't the actions of a vile c**t, it's the actions of a complete psychopath (IMO). I'm not sure that psychopathy is a mental illness, more just a description of an utter c**t. This explains the definition. https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm not sure that psychopathy is a mental illness, more just a description of an utter c**t. This explains the definition. https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0 I'm not sure I can agree with that. I think earlier in this thread I linked to a test that they carry out on psychopaths by showing them a mixture of normal images and gruesome images one after the other and analysing how your brain reacts to it. "Normal" people will quite obviously be disgusted by it but a psychos brain doesn't have that natural reaction and if anything it triggers a curiosity in them. Surely if your brain isn't reacting the same way a "normal" brain would then you have a mental illness/deficiency? He says he saw the kid lying in bed and all he could think about was that he had the chance to kill her. Vile c***s will generally have a motive for killing people other than "I was curious, wanted to kill her and found it funny" IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Solitary confinement for the rest of his miserable life, with only the very basics of comfort and a sufficient level of sustenance and exercise, nothing more. As mentioned back up the thread by WB, plenty of time, completely alone to contemplate over and over again what he has done. Hopefully his regret and remorse will eventually surface and then gradually eat away at his sorry existence accelerating his demise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Where do you draw the line with the death penalty?Just under the chin, from ear to ear presumably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Bairnardo said: 2 hours ago, The Moonster said: Unless I'm following the judges comments incorrectly, they've interviewed him and decided that he doesn't have mental illness i.e. specialists are saying he's not a psychopath. I have no fucking idea how they determine he has no mental problems when he's sitting there trying not to pish himself laughing when a judge is reading out the details of a horrific murder of a 6 year old, but I'm not a professional. Probably you can be a vile c**t without having a mental disorder. There is no good in some people. Dahmer & Bundy were deemed 'sane' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, The Moonster said: I'm not sure I can agree with that. I think earlier in this thread I linked to a test that they carry out on psychopaths by showing them a mixture of normal images and gruesome images one after the other and analysing how your brain reacts to it. "Normal" people will quite obviously be disgusted by it but a psychos brain doesn't have that natural reaction and if anything it triggers a curiosity in them. Surely if your brain isn't reacting the same way a "normal" brain would then you have a mental illness/deficiency? He says he saw the kid lying in bed and all he could think about was that he had the chance to kill her. Vile c***s will generally have a motive for killing people other than "I was curious, wanted to kill her and found it funny" IMO. What I was meaning was because you might be able to explain how or why someone is c**t, it doesn't mean they're mentally ill and possibly treatable. Psychopathy is defined as an Antisocial Personality Disorder rather than a mental illness. If you could inject empathy into him, ie cure him, that would be a different matter, but you can't, so by all accounts he'll remain an evil b*****d for the rest of his days, whatever the cause. He belongs in jail rather than hospital. Here's another link to a short piece. https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/wicked-deeds/201408/psychopathic-criminals-cannot-be-cured 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Personality disorders are mental health issues! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeMentalDavie Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Hearing the further details that came out yesterday made me feel sick to my stomach. Prison is full of depraved scumbags but you'd have to think that wherever he ends up, he'll become a target for the other inmates. I'm not in favour of the death penalty so I hope he is never released. Life imprisonment is more of a punishment than lethal injection in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rowan said: Personality disorders are mental health issues! Anyone who does anything wrong has some kind of personality disorder. I was just quoting from the article I linked to, it's American though so maybe there are different definitions over here. First line: Quote Contrary to popular belief, psychopaths are not considered to be mentally ill. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I’ve borderline personality disorder which is very much treated as a psychiatric illness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, WeeMentalDavie said: Life imprisonment is more of a punishment than lethal injection in my opinion. But prison is like a hotel these days with TVs, phones, table tennis, gyms, football pitches, internet, saunas, 40m-long pools, jacuzzis, snooker rooms, golf simulators, massage parlours, hookers and unlimited beer on tap. So the papers tell me anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, The Moonster said: Unless I'm following the judges comments incorrectly, they've interviewed him and decided that he doesn't have mental illness i.e. specialists are saying he's not a psychopath. I have no fucking idea how they determine he has no mental problems when he's sitting there trying not to pish himself laughing when a judge is reading out the details of a horrific murder of a 6 year old, but I'm not a professional. As I understand it, when it comes to insanity in criminal cases, the question is "Did the accused know what they were doing?" Obviously, anybody who does the things this wee scrote did can't be right in the head. However, it doesn't appear that he had any misapprehension about the wrongness of his acts. Therefore not insane in the criminal sense. The toerag who shot up a cinema here in Colorado a few years back claimed he was not guilty by reason of insanity. The prosecution countered with the evidence that he planned his attack over the course of weeks, if not months, including investing in body armour and multiple weapons and rigging his apartment with explosives. Not the behaviour of someone who didn't know exactly what was going on. 2 hours ago, The Moonster said: I think earlier in this thread I linked to a test that they carry out on psychopaths by showing them a mixture of normal images and gruesome images one after the other and analysing how your brain reacts to it. "Normal" people will quite obviously be disgusted by it but a psychos brain doesn't have that natural reaction and if anything it triggers a curiosity in them. Surely if your brain isn't reacting the same way a "normal" brain would then you have a mental illness/deficiency? Interesting considering we have an active thread here where posters are rationalising their choosing to watch of a video of people being murdered 'because it came up on my phone' and 'I wanted to learn from it.' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shotgun said: As I understand it, when it comes to insanity in criminal cases, the question is "Did the accused know what they were doing?" Obviously, anybody who does the things this wee scrote did can't be right in the head. However, it doesn't appear that he had any misapprehension about the wrongness of his acts. Therefore not insane in the criminal sense. The toerag who shot up a cinema here in Colorado a few years back claimed he was not guilty by reason of insanity. The prosecution countered with the evidence that he planned his attack over the course of weeks, if not months, including investing in body armour and multiple weapons and rigging his apartment with explosives. Not the behaviour of someone who didn't know exactly what was going on. Interesting considering we have an active thread here where posters are rationalising their choosing to watch of a video of people being murdered 'because it came up on my phone' and 'I wanted to learn from it.' Are you inferring that anyone who watched that video is a psychopath? You've said on plenty of occasions that you find the thought of watching that video abhorrent and that's perfectly understandable but I think you need to be careful about labelling people who can watch it without having a breakdown as having a mental illness. Excluding any predictable hilarious comments, would you say this group of people sitting around watching the livestream of a video of a murder are psychopaths? Edited March 22, 2019 by Dee Man Eta: This post refers to the NZ shooting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Shotgun said: As I understand it, when it comes to insanity in criminal cases, the question is "Did the accused know what they were doing?" Obviously, anybody who does the things this wee scrote did can't be right in the head. However, it doesn't appear that he had any misapprehension about the wrongness of his acts. Therefore not insane in the criminal sense. The toerag who shot up a cinema here in Colorado a few years back claimed he was not guilty by reason of insanity. The prosecution countered with the evidence that he planned his attack over the course of weeks, if not months, including investing in body armour and multiple weapons and rigging his apartment with explosives. Not the behaviour of someone who didn't know exactly what was going on. That's fair, I can understand that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, Dee Man said: Are you inferring that anyone who watched that video is a psychopath? You've said on plenty of occasions that you find the thought of watching that video abhorrent and that's perfectly understandable but I think you need to be careful about labelling people who can watch it without having a breakdown as having a mental illness. No, I'm not. I am inferring that anyone who chooses to watch that video should have a long hard look at themselves. 'Because it came up on their phones or Facebook' was given as a rationalisation on that thread. You really don't think that's fucked up? And I'm really not sure why you think the ability to watch it 'without having a breakdown' is a relevant qualifier. 23 minutes ago, Dee Man said: Excluding any predictable hilarious comments, would you say this group of people sitting around watching the livestream of a video of a murder are psychopaths? It comes down to motive. This group of people were watching a video of a murder because it was necessary; not simply for morbid curiosity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Shotgun said: No, I'm not. I am inferring that anyone who chooses to watch that video should have a long hard look at themselves. 'Because it came up on their phones or Facebook' was given as a rationalisation on that thread. You really don't think that's fucked up? And I'm really not sure why you think the ability to watch it 'without having a breakdown' is a relevant qualifier. It comes down to motive. This group of people were watching a video of a murder because it was necessary; not simply for morbid curiosity. Why was it necessary? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dee Man said: Why was it necessary? Their jobs maybe? Or do you think they just happened to be passing the break room when the video was playing and thought "Ooh, I wanna see this." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcor Roar Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: What I was meaning was because you might be able to explain how or why someone is c**t, it doesn't mean they're mentally ill and possibly treatable. Psychopathy is defined as an Antisocial Personality Disorder rather than a mental illness. If you could inject empathy into him, ie cure him, that would be a different matter, but you can't, so by all accounts he'll remain an evil b*****d for the rest of his days, whatever the cause. He belongs in jail rather than hospital. Here's another link to a short piece. https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/wicked-deeds/201408/psychopathic-criminals-cannot-be-cured I find the concept of psychopathic behaviour quite interesting but its a difficult subject to get your head around. If we accept that these people are malfunctioning because they cannot empathise and that this is either genetic or because of environmental factors, should this in some way affect how we judge their actions? Obviously in this instance his personality disorder is coupled with a fetish for extreme violence and the crime is about as horrific as any one i've ever heard of. On the one hand trying to make sense of behaviour as abhorrent as this feels a bit like letting the b*****d off the hook, but on the other hand making it as simple as he's evil and that's all there is to it seems like a cop out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Falcor Roar said: I find the concept of psychopathic behaviour quite interesting but its a difficult subject to get your head around. If we accept that these people are malfunctioning because they cannot empathise and that this is either genetic or because of environmental factors, should this in some way affect how we judge their actions? Obviously in this instance his personality disorder is coupled with a fetish for extreme violence and the crime is about as horrific as any one i've ever heard of. On the one hand trying to make sense of behaviour as abhorrent as this feels a bit like letting the b*****d off the hook, but on the other hand making it as simple as he's evil and that's all there is to it seems like a cop out. Yes, there's an idea that trying to explain why someone is how they are, absolves them of guilt. If you mention that a child abuser was badly abused as a child the reaction is that you're making excuses for them. Everyone is how they are because of reasons, and if you're an evil dangerous and incurable b*****d, that's what you are, whatever the causes, and you need locking up. Justice needs an element of vengeance as well if people aren't going to take it themselves, so treating all criminals like patients wouldn't work. Obviously conditions like schizophrenia are a different matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I'm not sure that psychopathy is a mental illness, more just a description of an utter c**t. This explains the definition.https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0Some people are just evil. Something I dont believe you can quantify or explain. Some people do bad things as a result of childhood trauma or similar and others are just bad b*****ds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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