Alesha MacPhail case

[quickoverayard]

He probably won't. The judge said he was likely to spend the rest of his life in prison.

He was smirking and laughing throughout the trial. How can someone like this be rehabilitated?? He is pure evil.

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, quickoverayard said:

6 hours ago, welshbairn said:

He probably won't. The judge said he was likely to spend the rest of his life in prison.

He was smirking and laughing throughout the trial. How can someone like this be rehabilitated?? He is pure evil.

As the judge said. You want to let him off with a quick end.

[Bobby Skidmarks]

To kill him is too easy an option, why put him out of his misery?

He might be acting the hard man but he is shiteing it, and rightly so. The rest of his life is going to be spent inside his own fucked up head with an added dash of paranoia about getting a chibbing in the exercise yard. f**k him.

Edited March 21, 2019 by Bobby Skidmarks

[welshbairn]

Just now, ali_91 said:

Stop pandering to it. That’s not the reason you’re opposed to the death penalty, stop pretending it is. 

It is partly for horrific crimes, I want a long lifetime of suffering for c***s like that. Although I also don't like the idea of state functionaries murdering people with the stroke of a pen. 

[Dindeleux]

On the BBC page it offers you the chance to read the sentencing statement in full via the Scottish Judiciary site.  On the site it gives you some other sentencing statements that would be of public interest and another one given today again gave an indication that our sentencing system is wrong.

Guy in question got 9 years for culpable homicide and I've copied and pasted some of the details that just made this sentence astounding to me (I've amended some of details for the privacy of the victims family:

• Shortly after midnight on date, you carried out a violent attack upon victim aged 37, in a public street in town, punching him on the head, thereby causing him to fall to the ground, and thereafter kicking him and repeatedly punching him on the head and neck, as a result of which he was so severely injured that he in due course died in hospital 6 days later

  The victim died as a result of the blunt force trauma of his head and neck which you inflicted and for which you are criminally responsible.

• At the age of 36 you already have accrued 23 groups of prior convictions and served in total eight custodial sentences. You committed the offence on the present indictment while subject to two community payback orders with supervision and unpaid work requirements, each imposed in 2017

• have been convicted on five occasions for the possession of bladed weapons in a public place.

• You will serve a period of imprisonment of nine years, discounted from a period of 10 years due to the timing of your plea and the history in general terms of this case.

 

 

[pandarilla]

He was smirking and laughing throughout the trial. How can someone like this be rehabilitated?? He is pure evil.

He can't be, according to a very interesting interview on 'the nine' with a psychologist who specialises in psychopaths and who was involved with this case.

He's basically as extreme a psycho as you'll ever find, and will probably never show remorse.

[Busta Nut]

1 hour ago, Dindeleux said:

On the BBC page it offers you the chance to read the sentencing statement in full via the Scottish Judiciary site.  On the site it gives you some other sentencing statements that would be of public interest and another one given today again gave an indication that our sentencing system is wrong.

Guy in question got 9 years for culpable homicide and I've copied and pasted some of the details that just made this sentence astounding to me (I've amended some of details for the privacy of the victims family:

• Shortly after midnight on date, you carried out a violent attack upon victim aged 37, in a public street in town, punching him on the head, thereby causing him to fall to the ground, and thereafter kicking him and repeatedly punching him on the head and neck, as a result of which he was so severely injured that he in due course died in hospital 6 days later

  The victim died as a result of the blunt force trauma of his head and neck which you inflicted and for which you are criminally responsible.

• At the age of 36 you already have accrued 23 groups of prior convictions and served in total eight custodial sentences. You committed the offence on the present indictment while subject to two community payback orders with supervision and unpaid work requirements, each imposed in 2017

• have been convicted on five occasions for the possession of bladed weapons in a public place.

• You will serve a period of imprisonment of nine years, discounted from a period of 10 years due to the timing of your plea and the history in general terms of this case.

 

 

5 times with knifes??

c**t should be serving life for that alone.

[Romeo]

Under certain circumstances yes i do. I see no other fitting punishment for this. Nothing anyone says will change my mind.

Where do you draw the line with the death penalty?

[Cardinal Richelieu]

14 minutes ago, Romeo said:

10 hours ago, quickoverayard said:

Under certain circumstances yes i do. I see no other fitting punishment for this. Nothing anyone says will change my mind.

Where do you draw the line with the death penalty?

The only countries that have recently executed under 18s (or children if you like) are:

• China (abolished although executions still occur occasionally due to insufficient age checks)
• Democratic Republic of Congo (still in law, although a moratorium has been issued)
• Iran
• Nigeria
• Pakistan (now abolished)
• Saudi Arabia
• South Sudan
• Sudan
• USA (now abolished)
• Yemen (now abolished)

I'm not sure I'd like Scotland to join that list. Most of these countries waited until the accused was over 18 before executing, although some were executed after conviction. 

Edited March 22, 2019 by Cardinal Richelieu

[Rugster]

1 minute ago, Cardinal Richelieu said:

The only countries that have recently executed under 18s (or children if you like) are:

• China (abolished although executions still occur occasionally due to insufficient age checks)
• Democratic Republic of Congo (still in law, although a moratorium has been issued)
• Iran
• Nigeria
• Pakistan (now abolished)
• Saudi Arabia
• South Sudan
• Sudan
• Yemen (now abolished)

I'm not sure I'd like Scotland to join that list. 

Yeah, we'd get pumped by all of them

[Romeo]

The only countries that have recently executed under 18s (or children if you like) are:

• China (abolished although executions still occur occasionally due to insufficient age checks)
• Democratic Republic of Congo (still in law, although a moratorium has been issued)
• Iran
• Nigeria
• Pakistan (now abolished)
• Saudi Arabia
• South Sudan
• Sudan
• Yemen (now abolished)

I'm not sure I'd like Scotland to join that list. 

The problem with those who call for the death penalty is that they do so on an ad hoc basis and have no idea how it would work. They also usually willing to kill innocent people too, sentenced to the death penalty because of bent/incompetent police, shite lawyers or a knackered justice system.

It's the same patter you get in a pub from Jake balls or if you want attention or likes on Facebook.

[TheScarf]

13 hours ago, welshbairn said:

I thought Harold Shipman cheated himself out of proper punishment when the prison failed to stop him killing himself. Death isn't punishment, sitting in a room on your own thinking how things could have been different, for 27 plus and likely the rest of his life, is.

Indeed.  Plus the death penalty doesn't turn the clock back any.  It doesn't bring anyone back.  

Also, was there not studies in America done and they found that executing someone costs the state a lot more than keeping them in solitary for the rest of their life?

[Brother Blades]

Cant believe we have death penalty advocates on here, I thought that train of thought had largely disappeared and if you're over the age of 14.
A true punishment would be to make him watch the Scotland game on a continual loop.
 

He’d probably enjoy that, sicko.

[Adam]

I think in all likelihood this guy will never be released from prison.

[Dee Man]

48 minutes ago, Tynierose said:

Cant believe we have death penalty advocates on here, I thought that train of thought had largely disappeared and if you're over the age of 14.

A true punishment would be to make him watch the Scotland game on a continual loop.

 

Too far. 

[Rugster]

I've heard a couple of people saying it would be ok to execute this guy because he's admitted it and there's no chance of an innocent person being executed. That's all well and good, but I think the chance of him admitting it if he was aware he'd be executed would diminish somewhat. Mental argument.

[Fullerene]

He committed this appalling crime because it was "something to do".  His boredom threshold must be absolute zero.

He will now spend the next 27 years with nothing to do.  Almost twice as long as he has lived already.

I suspect he will find it insufferable.  Hopefully it will be.

[The Moonster]

12 hours ago, pandarilla said:

He can't be, according to a very interesting interview on 'the nine' with a psychologist who specialises in psychopaths and who was involved with this case.

He's basically as extreme a psycho as you'll ever find, and will probably never show remorse.

Unless I'm following the judges comments incorrectly, they've interviewed him and decided that he doesn't have mental illness i.e. specialists are saying he's not a psychopath.  I have no fucking idea how they determine he has no mental problems when he's sitting there trying not to pish himself laughing when a judge is reading out the details of a horrific murder of a 6 year old, but I'm not a professional.

 

[Bairnardo]

Unless I'm following the judges comments incorrectly, they've interviewed him and decided that he doesn't have mental illness i.e. specialists are saying he's not a psychopath.  I have no fucking idea how they determine he has no mental problems when he's sitting there trying not to pish himself laughing when a judge is reading out the details of a horrific murder of a 6 year old, but I'm not a professional.
 

Probably you can be a vile c**t without having a mental disorder. There is no good in some people.

[The Moonster]

7 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Probably you can be a vile c**t without having a mental disorder. There is no good in some people.

Of course you can but I don't think this wee guy is of sound mind. It's not an excuse for him, but I don't know how someone so opportunistic, callous and with the complete lack of empathy he has shown can't be considered a psychopath. Over 100 injuries on a defenceless wee girl and going about your business as if f**k all happened isn't the actions of a vile c**t, it's the actions of a complete psychopath (IMO).

Edited March 22, 2019 by The Moonster