dorlomin Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Comparing supposed anti-Semitism to Iraq is a belter. Personally I think the whole ‘anti-Semitism in the Labour Party’ has been hugely exaggerated for narrow political purposes. So we both agree that Corbyn never had the courage to stand up to Blair by resigning from Labour and showing him the support in the country for a more left wing Labour party. But now Corbyn is throwing his toys out the cot because people have the courage to stand up to him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 9 hours ago, jupe1407 said: Rumour kicking about that some other LolBour nobody has resigned and will be joining these clowns. Ian Austin apparently. Ian Austin voted for the Brexit deal, TIG seems like the wrong place for him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 (edited) Corbyn hasn't thrown his toys out the pram. He has quite reasonably stated there should be by elections. I assume Corbyn did not leave the Labour Party because he understands that the party has been the vehicle for all the economic and social progress made by the working class and marginalised communities in the UK and that the party was redeemable and could again become the instrument of the UK working class movement. Umunna and his cronies joined the party to subvert the working class movement in the interests of capital. If they have zero control over the party they can do very little damage so they left. They will now use their Labour won MP status as a weapon to attack the party during the next General Election. Edited February 21, 2019 by Detournement 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, dorlomin said: So we both agree that Corbyn never had the courage to stand up to Blair by resigning from Labour and showing him the support in the country for a more left wing Labour party. But now Corbyn is throwing his toys out the cot because people have the courage to stand up to him. Mmmm. I don’t think a political party is defined by its leader, it’s designed by its policies. I think in a genuine democracy people need real choices, something that is denied in the U.K. parliament due to FPTP. Nonetheless even in that flawed system we need parties that span the political spectrum; that was denied when Blair was party leader. At least now people have a real choice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: Considering one of the IG is a well documented homophobe, and another one has just blurted out something racist they sure are particular about which prejudices rile them up. So far no one in the MSM is seriously challenging these people, they are simply parroting their statements. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Considering one of the IG is a well documented homophobe, and another one has just blurted out something racist they sure are particular about which prejudices rile them up. Which is the crux of the problem. I think Luciana Berger has suffered anti-semitism and it’s clearly still a problem in British society but these wankers who couldn’t go one day without saying something racist on the TV, who have a well documented homophobe in their ranks, who have members who have frequently voted for tougher asylum controls and other anti-migrant measures, have indulged the far right on immigration, and have supported austerity which disproportionately affects minorities barely have a shred of credibility between them to lecture others on racism. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 48 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Considering one of the IG is a well documented homophobe, and another one has just blurted out something racist they sure are particular about which prejudices rile them up. Who's the homophobe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Which is the crux of the problem. I think Luciana Berger has suffered anti-semitism and it’s clearly still a problem in British society but these wankers who couldn’t go one day without saying something racist on the TV, who have a well documented homophobe in their ranks, who have members who have frequently voted for tougher asylum controls and other anti-migrant measures, have indulged the far right on immigration, and have supported austerity which disproportionately affects minorities barely have a shred of credibility between them to lecture others on racism. Has anyone mentioned she's "heavily pregnant" today ? Seems to be of major relevance everytime I hear her name in the media.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: Considering one of the IG is a well documented homophobe, and another one has just blurted out something racist they sure are particular about which prejudices rile them up. This is similar to my little spat yesterday with a poster on here, he, along with many others, didn't appear to have a problem with labelling people as "stalinists" etc, however turned into "snowflake of the year" at the slightest criticism of any of the dissenting MP's. It really is very strange behaviour. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Grieve and Greening are making very big noises at walking out on the Tories if we are headed towards a No Deal exit. Seems this group has given the non batshit mentalists some leverage, something they can credibly claim to be willing to do do put the skids under the headbangers No Deal. If the fall out of all this was Brexit being delayed, the emotional meltdowns across the Brexitsphere would be a real deck chair and popcorn moment , because they know as well as I do, every cold snap brings us closer to a Remain majority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: Gavin Shuker. His brother Davor is a bit of a dick too tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Loondave1 said: Has anyone mentioned she's "heavily pregnant" today ? Seems to be of major relevance everytime I hear her name in the media.. Hopefully she takes a leaf out of Ruth Davidson's book and spends her entire maternity leave in a top secret location with no telephone or internet access. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, MixuFixit said: Gavin Shuker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Detournement said: Hopefully she takes a leaf out of Ruth Davidson's book and spends her entire maternity leave in a top secret location with no telephone or internet access. She'll have to find a different media blackout hole from whichever one they'll have had to have shoved that poundshop Tim Farron, Gavin Shuker, into. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Theory: The Independent Group will collapse when Philip Davies announces he is joining due to their overrepresentation of females - discriminating against men - and the group, since they’re not an actual party, can’t really do anything about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 YouGov poll on Westminster voting intetion, carried out 18/19 February. Conservative - 38% Labour - 26% Independent Group - 14% Lib Dems - 7% 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, ICTChris said: YouGov poll on Westminster voting intetion, carried out 18/19 February. Conservative - 38% Labour - 26% Independent Group - 14% Lib Dems - 7% The other big break away had good polling for a short while then faded. That said the supercharged clusterfarce of brexit is barreling towards us and its destructive wake might just leave a bad taste in the mouth from those who supported it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Thought I’d share this short video, it’s a nice we montage/summary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 15 hours ago, jupe1407 said: I'm not sure they'll have any real effect. They'll most be binned at the next election and be replaced with members of the two main parties. Correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 YouGov poll on Westminster voting intetion, carried out 18/19 February. Conservative - 38% Labour - 26% Independent Group - 14% Lib Dems - 7% The Lib Dem’s getting trounced in the Europhile centre ground by a party that isn’t actually a party, has only existed for a few days and whose MPs have already made some stupid gaffes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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