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4 minutes ago, Grant228 said:

I ruptured my Acl a few years back and I don't play on astros anymore, while they may not be the cause of the injury I'm baffled that anyone can say there isn't a higher risk of re injury on them. 

From personal experience they're far worse on the knees and joints in full sided games, anyone trying to bring fives into this is a fucking moron. 

The scientific evidence on this issue is comprehensive and totally contradicts your anecdotal experience though. Anyone who chooses to ignore that are the real fucking morons in this discussion.

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Yesterday I happened to use the toilet in Caffé Nero after McBurnie had just been in and it was, indeed, absolutely wretched. Properly eye-watering stuff. Doubt he'll be playing any time soon. 

With that in mind, and Fletcher's absence, I'd be tempted to stick Tierney at LB and put Robertson up front. With the constant call-offs it's important that we keep our two best players happy and having Robbo in a more attacking role is something I'm sure everyone wants to see. 

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The scientific evidence on this issue is comprehensive and totally contradicts your anecdotal experience though. Anyone who chooses to ignore that are the real fucking morons in this discussion.

The science is defo not conclusive but there seems to be more evidence that their is a higher rate of injury on Astro turf.

The science is inconclusive there loads of research especially in the states that show that knee injuries increase when playing on AstroTurf (the American journal of sports medicine looked at American football players said there was a 40 per cent higher chance of knee injuries over a 5 year period)

But in saying that a simple google search shows just as much evidence the other way.

I couldn’t find any research based on sportspeople who have had a ACL and the chances of this recurring on AstroTurf as opposed to grass so I guess there hasn’t been a great amount of research in this area.

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What type of artificial pitch is it? And what condition is it in? Is it near the end of its 'life cycle' or has it recently been installed? 

Shockingly, and this will be hard for some to take, they're not all the same.

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3 hours ago, Grant228 said:

I ruptured my Acl a few years back and I don't play on astros anymore, while they may not be the cause of the injury I'm baffled that anyone can say there isn't a higher risk of re injury on them. 

 

From personal experience they're far worse on the knees and joints in full sided games, anyone trying to bring fives into this is a fucking moron. 

Calls people "fucking morons", then presents a sole bit of evidence based on a bizarre individual choice based on "personal experience".

How much worse is "far worse" on "the knees and joints"?

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3 hours ago, Grant228 said:

From personal experience they're far worse on the knees and joints in full sided games, anyone trying to bring fives into this is a fucking moron. 

 

22 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

Calls people "fucking morons", then presents a sole bit of evidence based on a bizarre individual choice based on "personal experience".

How much worse is "far worse" on "the knees and joints"?

I think he's trying to say that in an 11 aside game the affects on knees and joints is different than in a game 5s. I've no idea why or how. 

But if you bring 5s into this you are a moron apparently.  

I better not mention the worldy singles I played on astroturf

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2 minutes ago, BingMcCrosby said:

 

I think he's trying to say that in an 11 aside game the affects on knees and joints is different than in a game 5s. I've no idea why or how. 

But if you bring 5s into this you are a moron apparently.  

I better not mention the worldy singles I played on astroturf

Maybe Steven MacLean's "doctor" can tell us?

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7 hours ago, Marshmallo said:

Maybe Steven MacLean's "doctor" can tell us?

Find out who his surgeon was and ask.

MacLean has had knee injuries since he was about 18, and needed surgery in 2013, and 2014, on his knees. It was after this he was told to stay off it, hes not had a major knee injury since.

You can keep mocking things just because it's me who's saying it if it makes you feel better though.

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7 hours ago, BingMcCrosby said:

 

I think he's trying to say that in an 11 aside game the affects on knees and joints is different than in a game 5s. I've no idea why or how. 

But if you bring 5s into this you are a moron apparently.  

I better not mention the worldy singles I played on astroturf

You've no idea how 5 a side is less stressful on the joints than 11 a side? 

11 hours ago, virginton said:

The scientific evidence on this issue is comprehensive and totally contradicts your anecdotal experience though. Anyone who chooses to ignore that are the real fucking morons in this discussion.

If it's comprehensive I'm sure you won't struggle to put up a dece paper on the chance of re injury off an Acl injury on artificial v grass pitches? 

 

Looking forward to it. 

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46 minutes ago, Grant228 said:

You've no idea how 5 a side is less stressful on the joints than 11 a side? 

If it's comprehensive I'm sure you won't struggle to put up a dece paper on the chance of re injury off an Acl injury on artificial v grass pitches? 

 

Looking forward to it. 

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jsm/2013/380523/

This study from The Journal of Sports Medicine suggests there is a LOWER rate of injury on astroturf versus grass. 

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13 hours ago, Grant228 said:

I ruptured my Acl a few years back and I don't play on astros anymore, while they may not be the cause of the injury I'm baffled that anyone can say there isn't a higher risk of re injury on them. 

 

From personal experience they're far worse on the knees and joints in full sided games, anyone trying to bring fives into this is a fucking moron. 

I'll take the conclusions of scientific studies over "I got injured once" I think.

11 hours ago, skippy2015 said:


The science is defo not conclusive but there seems to be more evidence that their is a higher rate of injury on Astro turf.

The science is inconclusive there loads of research especially in the states that show that knee injuries increase when playing on AstroTurf (the American journal of sports medicine looked at American football players said there was a 40 per cent higher chance of knee injuries over a 5 year period)

But in saying that a simple google search shows just as much evidence the other way.

I couldn’t find any research based on sportspeople who have had a ACL and the chances of this recurring on AstroTurf as opposed to grass so I guess there hasn’t been a great amount of research in this area.

For every study that suggests there's a higher rate of injury I could point to one that contradicts it. Football is a contact sport, people will get injured, grass or plastic it really doesn't matter.

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1 hour ago, Marshmallo said:

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jsm/2013/380523/

This study from The Journal of Sports Medicine suggests there is a LOWER rate of injury on astroturf versus grass. 

Nobodies argued you get more injuries on plastic pitches, all we're saying is players with weak spots due to injuries will find plastic is more likely to aggravate it.

Staggered folk cant understand the difference.

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I'm no doctor but it seems reasonable enough to assume that the harder the surface that you run on the higher the impact on your joints. Anecdotally, i play on astro all the time, weirdly I used to have big problems with it and my joints (mainly my knees) would swell up and turn red regularly. But after years of playing on these parks it's almost as if my body has got used to it now and I don't get any problems at all really anymore.   

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19 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Nobodies argued you get more injuries on plastic pitches, all we're saying is players with weak spots due to injuries will find plastic is more likely to aggravate it.

Staggered folk cant understand the difference.

Prove it

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I'm not jumping to either side, but is there anything that actually proves there's more danger on plastic pitches than not?  Or is it just weaker parts of the body, and a higher risk rather than anything concrete?  Just always seems like one of those things that has become almost a fact by people mentioning it so much, rather than being based on anything, but happy to have my mind changed on that.

It's obviously going to depend massively on the standard of pitches.  Some of the older ones you may as well just be playing on an iced-up indoor hard court, but the newer ones have gotten better.  What about the really shitty grass pitches though, do they not run the risk of injuries about as much?  A shite pitch is a shite pitch, just different kinds of shite.

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3 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:

You can keep mocking things just because it's me who's saying it if it makes you feel better though.

Is this just for Marshy or can anyone have a go?

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29 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

Prove it

I mean, Saints left their best striker out of matches on it for over four years because of it, think they just done that for the crack?

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I mean, Saints left their best striker out of matches on it for over four years because of it, think they just done that for the crack?
Presumably they done it because he refused to play on it, and they deemed the cnsequences of the regularity of this occurence low enough, and what he offered outwith these instances highly enough to let him away with that. Pretty simple balance of risk/reward. A million miles away from proof though.

Boils down to no more than that players opinion.

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