forameus Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, Tarmo Kink said: San Marino again lost 1-0 in their warm-up match. This time to Serie C side Imolese. Aye, but what pitch were they on, how many people got injured because of that pitch, and what did their surgeons say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said: He played about three or four less games a season. Again, all I've said is a surgeon who worked on his knees, twice, told him the chances of injuring the same knee were heightened if he played on the firmer artificial surface. Well he got a knee injury in 2013, had surgery, continued to play on artificial surfaces, got another knee injury in 2014, had surgery and stopped playing on artificial surfaces, and hasn't had a major knee injury since. You're speaking as if a 30+ year old man with a history of knee problems since he was 18 can have a surgery that completely rids him of those issues. It's not as though he was playing a ton of games on artificial surfaces beforehand though. The first of those knee injuries occurred in October 2013. At that stage, there were no artificial surfaces in the top flight of Scottish football, and I don't think he played on one in Europe either. He then returned to the team in February 2014, and picked up his second injury in August 2014. In that period, he played one domestic match on an artificial pitch (v Hamilton) and I don't think he played on one in Europe either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Just now, craigkillie said: It's not as though he was playing a ton of games on artificial surfaces beforehand though. The first of those knee injuries occurred in October 2013. At that stage, there were no artificial surfaces in the top flight of Scottish football, and I don't think he played on one in Europe either. He then returned to the team in February 2014, and picked up his second injury in August 2014. In that period, he played one domestic match on an artificial pitch (v Hamilton) and I don't think he played on one in Europe either. Again, I've never said the injuries came about because of them. All I've said is that after the second surgery he was advised not to play on them. Was just meant to be an example that some players will have genuine reasons why they wont play on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 43 minutes ago, Jeremiah Cole said: So, if his injury wasn't caused by a plastic pitch, why would it be aggravated by a plastic pitch? Are you really this stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 My word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: You're speaking as if a 30+ year old man with a history of knee problems since he was 18 can have a surgery that completely rids him of those issues. Given that we have access to modern fucking medicine, of course he can. It's not the 1960s with Allan McGraw being given injections every week to play every week any more (on grass surfaces, no less). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Grant228 said: I'm saying they can aggregate old injuries, an entirely different proposition, something that isn't opposed by real data, if it was I'm sure someone would've linked it. The onus is on the person making the claim (you) to provide the evidence, not the other way round. The evidence on the role of artificial pitches causing injuries is both comprehensive and negative, so unless you have something substantive to offer then we can safely file your anecdotal bullshit feelings about them in the bin as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, virginton said: The onus is on the person making the claim You've claimed it doesn't. In your own time, carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Try reading the rest of the post before having your latest tantrum champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 25 minutes ago, virginton said: Given that we have access to modern fucking medicine, of course he can. It's not the 1960s with Allan McGraw being given injections every week to play every week any more (on grass surfaces, no less). Hes 34, has had 16 years of knee injuries, and had two surgeries on the same knee. You're a fucking moron if you cant see how he'll never be able to get a surgery that rids him of that, certainly not while he wants to keep playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 It's called having a successful operation champ, it happens all the time. But yeah it's definitely the magical grass pitches wot won it for him instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gannonball Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Jeremiah Cole said: So, if his injury wasn't caused by a plastic pitch, why would it be aggravated by a plastic pitch? He wasnt injured by a butchers mincer is he alright to stick his leg in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, virginton said: Try reading the rest of the post before having your latest tantrum champ. So you have nothing then, glad we got that cleared up early doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 'Scientists haven't got round to disproving by garbage theory so it's definitely legit' thread for this pish. Scientists have found no evidence whatsoever that playing on an artificial surface is a physiological cause of injury for footballers at any level of the game. It directly follows from this that there can be no physiological reason for injury relapses on an artificial surface, seeing as there isn't any physiological difference in the first place. Didn't think we'd have to walk you through Logic 101 class as well, but here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Hes 34, has had 16 years of knee injuries, and had two surgeries on the same knee. You're a fucking moron if you cant see how he'll never be able to get a surgery that rids him of that, certainly not while he wants to keep playing.Don't tennis players disprove that? Nadal would have been fucked had he done his knees ten years sooner, but he's recovered to the top level. Murray will hopefully recover after his hip resurfacing. Footballers have come back from injuries than in previous years would have been career threatening. If anything, staying off firm pitches would make some sense if the reason for his plastic pitch "exile" is the one given. After all, there are some springy artificial surfaces out there and there are some very firm grass pitches in Scotland, especially in the winter. Almost like not all plastic pitches and not all grass pitches are identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeadowArab Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Can't we just agree to disagree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 13 hours ago, virginton said: 'Scientists haven't got round to disproving by garbage theory so it's definitely legit' thread for this pish. Scientists have found no evidence whatsoever that playing on an artificial surface is a physiological cause of injury for footballers at any level of the game. It directly follows from this that there can be no physiological reason for injury relapses on an artificial surface, seeing as there isn't any physiological difference in the first place. Didn't think we'd have to walk you through Logic 101 class as well, but here we are. Again. Nothing I've said is my opinion, just what was relayed by Steven MacLean. How you've not grasped that yet is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 15 hours ago, gannonball said: He wasnt injured by a butchers mincer is he alright to stick his leg in that? This. Sadly unable to give it more than one Charles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 All this plastic pitch chat has just convinced me further that this game is a stick on 0-0. There's never ever ever been a good game on an artificial surface. Apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieStevenson Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Steven Fletcher scores again. Bugger all wrong with him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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