San Starko Rover Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Really needs to be announced what’s happening one way or the other as it’s unfair on both Whitehill and Bonnyrigg as neither knows which level they’re at next season. SFA 100% to blame here Bonnyrigg should have been given their licence as the goalposts where moved which was unfair. Now it’s unfair on Whitehill as they’re left in limbo. SFA couldn’t run s bath, it’s no wonder our game is in such a mess. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Have any of the 3 clubs in LL without lights indicated any plans yet ?Also in my naivety on voting rights and being led to believe turkeys dont vote for Christmas etc. Presumably there was a majority vote taken at some point of all the members to add the lights requirement ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 minute ago, superbigal said: Have any of the 3 clubs in LL without lights indicated any plans yet ? Also in my naivety on voting rights and being led to believe turkeys dont vote for Christmas etc. Presumably there was a majority vote taken at some point of all the members to add the lights requirement ? CSS look to be sorted. VoL I'm not too sure on & WW are having to deal with a different kind of uncertainty so there hasn't been much positive news on the floodlights front. All 3 are looking into it as they obviously don't want to lose their licenses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 Have any of the 3 clubs in LL without lights indicated any plans yet ?Also in my naivety on voting rights and being led to believe turkeys dont vote for Christmas etc. Presumably there was a majority vote taken at some point of all the members to add the lights requirement ? The LL do not have a requirement for floodlights. It's a new Licence requirement and you need a Licence to play in the LL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreamer Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, superbigal said: Have any of the 3 clubs in LL without lights indicated any plans yet ? Also in my naivety on voting rights and being led to believe turkeys dont vote for Christmas etc. Presumably there was a majority vote taken at some point of all the members to add the lights requirement ? Licensing requirements changes aren’t voted on by members. They are set by the sfa and licensing committee. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I really hope Bonnyrigg still get a license, but imo the LL should decide (might have to be through an EGM to get it approved though), that WW are in the LL whatever happens and if Bonnyrigg get a license, the LL will just run with 17 clubs and add an extra relegation spot to go down to 16 for 2020/21. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 St Andrews floodlighting planning permission, 200 lux: https://planning.fife.gov.uk/online/caseDetails.do?caseType=Application&keyVal=PQGL5EHFMNS00 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 28 minutes ago, Marten said: I really hope Bonnyrigg still get a license, but imo the LL should decide (might have to be through an EGM to get it approved though), that WW are in the LL whatever happens and if Bonnyrigg get a license, the LL will just run with 17 clubs and add an extra relegation spot to go down to 16 for 2020/21. That would have knock-on effects to the EoS, with Leith Athletic being promoted to the EoS Premier, and one of the Conferences only running with 11 clubs, which in turn will affect their inter-conference fixtures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwd440 Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: That would have knock-on effects to the EoS, with Leith Athletic being promoted to the EoS Premier, and one of the Conferences only running with 11 clubs, which in turn will affect their inter-conference fixtures. In that case it would be simpler for the EoS to run the Premier with 15 clubs for 1 season. Tough on Leith though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RampantFM Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Spoiler https://twitter.com/OfficialCatchup/status/1134442110055268353 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, pipedreamer said: Licensing requirements changes aren’t voted on by members. They are set by the sfa and licensing committee. Great that is my point. This small body decided floodlights were required. It was not a vote to the 91 members (Or whatever number it is). So this particular body presumably can set the licensing benefits as well as the standards ? What I am trying to get at, is if it is the sfa and licensing committee that comes up with a revised License (Associate or whatever they want to call it), with reduced benefits. That the members themselves do not vote on the proposal. I have read on here that the clubs would potentially not allow it (Because they would outnumber the bigger clubs in sheer votes) But how can they if this function is actioned by committee ? Edited May 31, 2019 by superbigal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, superbigal said: Great that is my point. This small body decided floodlights were required. It was not a vote to the 91 members (Or whatever number it is). So this particular body presumably can set the licensing benefits as well as the standards ? What I am trying to get at, is if it is the sfa and licensing committee that comes up with a revised License (Associate or whatever they want to call it), with reduced benefits. That the members themselves do not vote on the proposal. I have read on here that the clubs would potentially not allow it. But how can they if it is done by committee ? The two things are intertwined but separate. Membership rights are something voted on by members. The licensing process is in the control of the licensing committee & board. Look at how the SPFL board can make up whatever they want with the Challenge Cup but can't push through Colts. One is a delegated responsibility and the other a membership vote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said: The two things are intertwined but separate. Membership rights are something voted on by members. The licensing process is in the control of the licensing committee & board. Look at how the SPFL board can make up whatever they want with the Challenge Cup but can't push through Colts. One is a delegated responsibility and the other a membership vote. Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDM Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Since Sir Peter was pushed out - Whitehill have been everyone's whipping boys. Bring back Peter and there will be no SFA u-turns and Whitehill would be gifted the lights currently in use at Hampden Park.... just to keep the peace! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 2 hours ago, RampantFM said: Hide contents https://twitter.com/OfficialCatchup/status/1134442110055268353 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 ……. and the last pillar going up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Fair play to bonyrigg, they certainly haven’t hung around! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 I was speaking to someone with close connections to Penicuik this morning. He confirmed that the club had been told that they won't be given full membership of the SFA at the AGM, but an "affiliate" or "associate" non voting membership. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 7 hours ago, Footballfirst said: I was speaking to someone with close connections to Penicuik this morning. He confirmed that the club had been told that they won't be given full membership of the SFA at the AGM, but an "affiliate" or "associate" non voting membership. Let's see. Clubs paid for an Application for Full Membership subject to gaining a Licence. 2K a time. Looks like a contract. The SFA seems to believe that it can move the goal posts at will, regardless of contracts? Also there is the Pyramid UEFA compliance issue. Maybe it's time for the SFA to be scrapped and restarted from fresh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 44 minutes ago, Dev said: Let's see. Clubs paid for an Application for Full Membership subject to gaining a Licence. 2K a time. Looks like a contract. The SFA seems to believe that it can move the goal posts at will, regardless of contracts? Also there is the Pyramid UEFA compliance issue. Maybe it's time for the SFA to be scrapped and restarted from fresh. Isn't it in the regulations that the SFA can adjust the requirements and add new conditions as they see fit? As long as Scottish cup entry and ability to be promoted isn't affected this associate membership thing is no big deal. Better that than ever harsher licensing requirements to pull up the drawbridge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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