Burnie_man Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, superbigal said: 12 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: If they try to use it as a form of blackmail, they are opening a very large can of worms. My next guess is if the eos do not bow to pressure then the SFA may still grant 1 license. Strategically to whoever wins the eos playoff. That will protect integrity of pyramid in their eyes. Rest will be made to suffer with no pot of milk and honey. The SFA need to follow due process, and also remember the Licencing Committee are also independent. Applications which meet all requirements cannot be refused without a valid reason, and clubs given the chance to address whatever the issue is. I suspect this further deferment has more to do with the SPFL than anything going on with the Pyramid, as I pointed out earlier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthteller Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:Ca5evdN83Hd3IgiuXr3TfNx3dyoSCa5evdN83Hd3Ea6mQjV4q8Jh&tbo=u&ved=2ahUKEwiJl5XO4ubhAhVKdhoKHWAoBiYQiRx6BAgBEA0&ictx=1&uact=3#imgrc=rl6903zcd3cZJM -13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthteller Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Wee burnie has lost it -10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, superbigal said: 14 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: If they try to use it as a form of blackmail, they are opening a very large can of worms. My next guess is if the eos do not bow to pressure then the SFA may still grant 1 license. Strategically to whoever wins the eos playoff. That will protect integrity of pyramid in their eyes. Rest will be made to suffer with no pot of milk and honey. I think as Burnie_man has pointed is that the licenses of some have already been approved by the Licensing Committee. The licensing criteria has also been set for 2019 and is reviewed annually, so any changes wouldn't come in till 2020. Not sure how they can use it as a bargaining chip in that regard. If they continue to delay confirming these applications they're denying clubs entry into the 2019/20 Scottish Cup, possible promotion, possible access to additional grants or funding, entitlement to the revenue sharing of the SFA, voting rights kicking in. Plus they'd have incurred costs from licensing as well. Say the licensing audit came back and said you need to do x,y, and z still. You do the recommendations, you get accepted by the Licensing Committee, only to be denied arbitrarily by the SFA Board. Combined it all and tt's a potential legal can of worms. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, stanley said: I get that but why then are they so desperate to add so many clubs to the pyramid? Keep them out the pyramid and they can't apply for a licence. If they are worried about too many clubs accessing the pot of gold from tier 6 and below (including clubs who might be unlikely to ever gain promotion) then surely payments to those licensed clubs further down the pyramid can be reduced? Similar to how there is apparently different payments depending on licence level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 YesCheers Burnie.I asked because we've been told nothing from the SFA re: our application. [emoji853] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthteller Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, superbigal said: 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: If they try to use it as a form of blackmail, they are opening a very large can of worms. My next guess is if the eos do not bow to pressure then the SFA may still grant 1 license. Strategically to whoever wins the eos playoff. That will protect integrity of pyramid in their eyes. Rest will be made to suffer with no pot of milk and honey. You could be right super 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Interesed to see what’s said on Thursday night, but it’s hard to escape the conclusion that the SFA Board are planning to brazenly use licensing as blackmail against EOS clubs. Regardless of your views on the pyramid in general and the correct way forward for the structure of the leagues, if that is what they’re doing it’s absolutely disgraceful conduct from a Chief Executive and Board who’ve consistently embarrassed themselves over various issues since Maxwell arrived. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 The fact that the SPFL is objecting to Licenses being handed out like sweeties is not in doubt. That gives the SFA the cover story imo for this little bit of politics. Maxwell did warn in the pwg of what he probably deems frivolous objections having possible repercussions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, superbigal said: The fact that the SPFL is objecting to Licenses being handed out like sweeties is not in doubt. That gives the SFA the cover story imo for this little bit of politics. Maxwell did warn in the pwg of what he probably deems frivolous objections having possible repercussions. I think the very fact that your last sentence was actually in PWG minutes would suggest that they won't even attempt it unless they are very stupid. They simply are not going to sit in a room in front of 40+ clubs and blackmail them, Petrie may be many things but he isn't stupid. Will be interesting how they try and spin this. Then again, maybe they are there to present Licencing certificates 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Auld Heid said: Is there not some obscure rule that prohibits clubs taking the Association to task in such a manner? It's a FIFA/UEFA rule, which appears in a form in the SFA's Articles of Association. But ironically enough, the clubs trying to get licences are by definition not members of the SFA... I don't know if their membership of the East of Scotland FA would lead it to applying to them, though. Others here might know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Wonder if the EoS will stand firm or shite it and cave in? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, GordonS said: ...But ironically enough, the clubs trying to get licences are by definition not members of the SFA... They are registered members rather full members. Have to wonder whether other business got bumped due to dealing with the Alex McLeish issue? Although the awarding of licences is a big deal to the people posting on here, it's probably not viewed as a high priority by most people involved with the SFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: They are registered members rather full members. Have to wonder whether other business got bumped due to dealing with the Alex McLeish issue? Although the awarding of licences is a big deal to the people posting on here, it's probably not viewed as a high priority by most people involved with the SFA. That's partly how I see it rather than a grand conspiracy. The whole idea that they dealt with McLeish and went for lunch is probably true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: They are registered members rather full members. Have to wonder whether other business got bumped due to dealing with the Alex McLeish issue? Although the awarding of licences is a big deal to the people posting on here, it's probably not viewed as a high priority by most people involved with the SFA. Ian Maxwell was completely unaware of the 31st March deadline for LL promotion, it had to be pointed out to him so they should be aware that delays impact on the promotion and relegation procedures for their member leagues. There is supposed to be another board meeting in June, which is the final chance to be licenced for next seasons Scottish Cup. They may well have just set aside discussing it due to the McLeish situation, I guess clubs will find out on Thursday, however they were supposedly having another board meeting today to discuss the managers position. How long does it take to rubber stamp applications that fully meet criteria, and decide on derogation. Edited April 23, 2019 by Burnie_man 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: Ian Maxwell was completely unaware of the 31st March deadline for LL promotion, it had to be pointed out to him so they should be aware that delays impact on the promotion and relegation procedures for their member leagues. There is supposed to be another board meeting in June, which is the final chance to be licenced for next seasons Scottish Cup. They may well have just set aside discussing it due to the McLeish situation, I guess clubs will find out on Thursday, however they were supposedly having another board meeting today to discuss the managers position. How long does it take to rubber stamp applications that fully meet criteria, and decide on derogation. Maybe...they're actually really aware of things and are actually delaying confirming any applications so that Bonnyrigg can get their floodlights installed or fail to win the EoS Championship. That way they can reject all the applications requiring derogation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said: Maybe...they're actually really aware of things and are actually delaying confirming any applications so that Bonnyrigg can get their floodlights installed or fail to win the EoS Championship. That way they can reject all the applications requiring derogation. That's no way out as they then reject these clubs from next seasons Scottish Cup as well, which is probably a bigger issue. Whatever it is, it's not going to be an easy night for Maxwell and Petrie if they dont come up with positive news to placate the delegates. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Maybe...they're actually really aware of things and are actually delaying confirming any applications so that Bonnyrigg can get their floodlights installed or fail to win the EoS Championship. That way they can reject all the applications requiring derogation. I did say this tongue in cheek over the weekend. Surely no !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: That's no way out as they then reject these clubs from next seasons Scottish Cup as well, which is probably a bigger issue. Whatever it is, it's not going to be an easy night for Maxwell and Petrie if they dont come up with positive news to placate the delegates. It is a way out. In this scenario they don't want to be seen as effecting promotion to the Lowland League by denying Bonnyrigg a license right now. Once the Bonnyrigg situation is resolved one way or another they can then say no to the other 5 applications waiting on approval for derogation and they only have to deal with 6 or 7 new clubs entering the 2019/20 Scottish Cup instead of a dozen or more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: It is a way out. In this scenario they don't want to be seen as effecting promotion to the Lowland League by denying Bonnyrigg a license right now. Once the Bonnyrigg situation is resolved one way or another they can then say no to the other 5 applications waiting on approval for derogation and they only have to deal with 6 or 7 new clubs entering the 2019/20 Scottish Cup instead of a dozen or more. It's not a way out as those clubs they deny probably wont take it lying down given the fact the goalposts changed during the application process. In addition they need to wait until a scheduled board meeting (June?), Maxwell admits he doesnt know the length of time this will take, meanwhile the LL and EoS cannot plan for next season and clubs are left in limbo. It's a shambles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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