Burnie_man Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 To be fair my own research a number of years ago (not relating to Linlithgow specifically) failed to find any trace of Linlithgow Rose until 1899, I reckon there has been a typo somewhere along the way which resulted in 1889 being claimed. There’s also an argument for the date actually being 1949 when they were finally resurrected after WWII, a gap of 10/11 years. Can they be considered the same club after such a long gap, new ground, new personnel etc?? Thorny subject for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: To be fair my own research a number of years ago (not relating to Linlithgow specifically) failed to find any trace of Linlithgow Rose until 1899, I reckon there has been a typo somewhere along the way which resulted in 1889 being claimed. There’s also an argument for the date actually being 1949 when they were finally resurrected after WWII, a gap of 10/11 years. Can they be considered the same club after such a long gap, new ground, new personnel etc?? Thorny subject for sure. There really isn't an argument for 1949 and I think you know that. I think that saying a club ceased to exist because they sat out a world war and then found their pitch unusable and a new ground required are entitled to a bit of slack whilst they get themselves to a position to fund it. They had the same articles of association. A lot of clubs stopped operating during the first world war - I doubt any realised they'd need to fit an arbitrary timeline for getting going and cracking on which was implemented 100 years later but didn't apply at the time. If they were a different club, I'm sure we'd all have been told by the SJFA between 1949 and 12th April this year. Didn't really need a licence back then either! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Show me any evidence that has a Linlithgow Rose team playing before 1898, (and ffs don't say because club website says so). [emoji38]I'm hardly going to rely on you - the village idiot as a source of clarity.Since no one still around from that era to prove otherwise - I am content with the date provided.At least our history is achieved by blood, sweat and tears and not through a blank cheque. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, HTG said: There really isn't an argument for 1949 and I think you know that. I think that saying a club ceased to exist because they sat out a world war and then found their pitch unusable and a new ground required are entitled to a bit of slack whilst they get themselves to a position to fund it. They had the same articles of association. A lot of clubs stopped operating during the first world war - I doubt any realised they'd need to fit an arbitrary timeline for getting going and cracking on which was implemented 100 years later but didn't apply at the time. If they were a different club, I'm sure we'd all have been told by the SJFA between 1949 and 12th April this year. Didn't really need a licence back then either! I heard you bashing the keyboard from here Anyway, well off-topic! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rose Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Anyone got any updates on the Big Rose’s licence? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Anyone got any updates on the Big Rose’s licence?Yes - it's in place and has been for a few years as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rose Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 28 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: 52 minutes ago, Red Rose said: Anyone got any updates on the Big Rose’s licence? Yes - it's in place and has been for a few years as well. Couldn’t even make the playoffs in a diddy league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieboy Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Red Rose said: Anyone got any updates on the Big Rose’s licence? No chance you’ve no got lights 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rose Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Best team > tinpot lights 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, cookieboy said: No chance you’ve no got lights 6 hours ago, leftbehind said: Tinpot or not they have them in place and yours are not even on the horizon yet . sour grapes maybe to your neighbour. Wouldn't go that far. They do have them and are doing various fundraisers to get them installed. Wi their large fan base,sponsors and the community pulling together it's only a matter of time,credit where credits due here. Edited April 13, 2019 by newcastle broon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieboy Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 32 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Wouldn't go that far. They do have them and are doing various fundraisers to get them installed. Wi their large fan base,sponsors and the community pulling together it's only a matter of time,credit where credits due here. No criticism intended only stating the facts if the SFA stick to their over the top criteria they have not met it, but then you remember the goalposts have already been moved with their application so watch this space maybe happen again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 44 minutes ago, cookieboy said: No criticism intended only stating the facts if the SFA stick to their over the top criteria they have not met it, but then you remember the goalposts have already been moved with their application so watch this space maybe happen again Careful on the new clubs thread yesterday I got wrong for even suggesting they were changing the rules as they go along 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieboy Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 44 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Careful on the new clubs thread yesterday I got wrong for even suggesting they were changing the rules as they go along Suggesting ????? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, cookieboy said: Suggesting ????? Maybes a grammar error. I posted that whoever is in charge keeps changing rules. They thought I was referring to ww relegation when there have been other issues 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 13, 2019 Author Share Posted April 13, 2019 Licensing will keep evolving. Last year it was covered disabled facilities, this year floodlights, at some point seats will have to be provided etc. Its a gradual process to improve basic standards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieboy Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, newcastle broon said: Maybes a grammar error. I posted that whoever is in charge keeps changing rules. They thought I was referring to ww relegation when there have been other issues Could not agree with you more shambles springs to mind 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipedreamer Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 5 hours ago, cookieboy said: No criticism intended only stating the facts if the SFA stick to their over the top criteria they have not met it, but then you remember the goalposts have already been moved with their application so watch this space maybe happen again Do Penicuik have toilets inside the ground yet? Think that’s more important than floodlights! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookieboy Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 1 hour ago, pipedreamer said: Do Penicuik have toilets inside the ground yet? Think that’s more important than floodlights! Yes and your point is ?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blowin In the Wind Posted April 13, 2019 Share Posted April 13, 2019 On 12/04/2019 at 11:19, Burnie_man said: To be fair my own research a number of years ago (not relating to Linlithgow specifically) failed to find any trace of Linlithgow Rose until 1899, I reckon there has been a typo somewhere along the way which resulted in 1889 being claimed. There’s also an argument for the date actually being 1949 when they were finally resurrected after WWII, a gap of 10/11 years. Can they be considered the same club after such a long gap, new ground, new personnel etc?? Thorny subject for sure. Depends if it was the holding company that was liquidated and not the club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 D Day today, fingers crossed for everyone applying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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