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Sabatini was ok last season but as @diamondman says, he never really did it often enough. He had a few great games early on, he was particularly good in that 5-0 win over Clyde where he looked very composed for this level, but far too often he was anonymous and didn't make an impact on games. I don't think the style of football we played suited him, he kept dropping deep to try and take the ball of the centre backs and as much as I like him Sean Crighton can't play that way, but overall I thought he was a disappointment. I don't think there's any doubt that we improved massively when Turner and Paton came in and then again this season. Saying that, I'd rather have him than some of the jobbers getting a game for Clyde and East Fife so I'm surprised he's struggling to get a team at a much lower level. 

Good win for us today. It was a pretty rubbish game overall, I don't think either team played anywhere near as well as they're capable of but good to get a fairly comfortable win and be into the next round. I thought Scott McGill was our best player, always looking to get forward and causing problems when he was able to run with the ball. On the whole everyone was fine, Gabby McGill struggled in front of goal but he was a nuisance for Crighton and Jamieson. Very much a 6/10 performance across the board but I'll take it, hopefully a decent draw for the next round. I thought the ex-Airdrie players in the Stenhousemuir team all showed why they've dropped down a level. Crighton had a poor game and looks like he's still in the same form he was in last season, he's had a pretty big drop-off since 2019. Brown was anonymous and never really too involved in the game and Tierney worked hard up front but never looked too dangerous. O'Reilly did quite well and I think he'll be back in this league sooner rather than later but I thought Watson managed him pretty well overall.  

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2 hours ago, Diamond1924 said:

Thought Sabatini was calm on the ball and quite skilful but never really got a chance with us. 
 

Stokes never really got a kick in so nah

I really liked Craig Thomson towards the end of the season, but we’ve definitely won a watch with Frizzell this season! 
 

But onto today’s game, good professional performance and great to be in the hat for the 4th round draw. Would love a big money spinning away tie. But it’s inevitable that we’re going to get Clydebank!

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Sabatini technically wise was the best player in that team but looked lost. Would drift out of games. He really needed someone with experience in there to guide him through games. 

I think in this team he would do well. A defence that likes to pass out from the back. Plenty of midfielders to link up with. And leaders in there like McCabe and Agnew to talk him through the game. 

But this year we're overloaded with players in the middle of the park. 

Our 2 issues to sort out are:

1 Lack of goals from our forwards.

2 Cover in defence.

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I thought O'Reilly showed exactly why we didn't keep him. He always looks lively but when you've watched him a few times you realise that 'liveliness' never actually translates into having any impact on a game, it's generally just running up blind allies to the corner flag.

Every year we seem to have a few players who get released that a few of the fans wanted to keep, but almost without exception they end up at a lower level and never work their way back up - Crighton, Millar, O'Neill,  S McIntosh, Thomson, Cairns, Roberts, Carrick, Russell, half the Stirling Albion team. That's just off the top of my head, could probably name about 20 more. A lot of these guys did a decent job for us, and a few go on to have decent League 1/2 careers (like a Liam Watt) which is certainly not to be sniffed at, but never anything that makes you think they'd have been made us into a promotion winning side or that it was a mistake to release them. The fact that the vast majority of players move down the leagues explains why we have been stuck in this league for so long, and also validates the decision to release them. The mistake in recent seasons has been replacing these guys with more players who also aren't good enough, and so the cycle repeated itself.

Overall I think Murray has done well with recruitment this year. There's no-one he released who he shouldn't have in my opinion. And most of the signings have done well, with the jury still out on a few due to injuries or lack of game time so far. And that's coming from someone who wasn't that confident when we initially signed them. It certainly seems a more cohesive signing policy now that Stuart Millar is out the way.

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45 minutes ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

I thought O'Reilly showed exactly why we didn't keep him. He always looks lively but when you've watched him a few times you realise that 'liveliness' never actually translates into having any impact on a game, it's generally just running up blind allies to the corner flag.

Every year we seem to have a few players who get released that a few of the fans wanted to keep, but almost without exception they end up at a lower level and never work their way back up - Crighton, Millar, O'Neill,  S McIntosh, Thomson, Cairns, Roberts, Carrick, Russell, half the Stirling Albion team. That's just off the top of my head, could probably name about 20 more. A lot of these guys did a decent job for us, and a few go on to have decent League 1/2 careers (like a Liam Watt) which is certainly not to be sniffed at, but never anything that makes you think they'd have been made us into a promotion winning side or that it was a mistake to release them. The fact that the vast majority of players move down the leagues explains why we have been stuck in this league for so long, and also validates the decision to release them. The mistake in recent seasons has been replacing these guys with more players who also aren't good enough, and so the cycle repeated itself.

Overall I think Murray has done well with recruitment this year. There's no-one he released who he shouldn't have in my opinion. And most of the signings have done well, with the jury still out on a few due to injuries or lack of game time so far. And that's coming from someone who wasn't that confident when we initially signed them. It certainly seems a more cohesive signing policy now that Stuart Millar is out the way.

Recruitment certainly had to be looked at, and it was, one or two players were ok in spells, big improvement now, 

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On 28/11/2021 at 10:21, Diamonds are Forever said:

I thought O'Reilly showed exactly why we didn't keep him. He always looks lively but when you've watched him a few times you realise that 'liveliness' never actually translates into having any impact on a game, it's generally just running up blind allies to the corner flag.

Every year we seem to have a few players who get released that a few of the fans wanted to keep, but almost without exception they end up at a lower level and never work their way back up - Crighton, Millar, O'Neill,  S McIntosh, Thomson, Cairns, Roberts, Carrick, Russell, half the Stirling Albion team. That's just off the top of my head, could probably name about 20 more. A lot of these guys did a decent job for us, and a few go on to have decent League 1/2 careers (like a Liam Watt) which is certainly not to be sniffed at, but never anything that makes you think they'd have been made us into a promotion winning side or that it was a mistake to release them. The fact that the vast majority of players move down the leagues explains why we have been stuck in this league for so long, and also validates the decision to release them. The mistake in recent seasons has been replacing these guys with more players who also aren't good enough, and so the cycle repeated itself.

Overall I think Murray has done well with recruitment this year. There's no-one he released who he shouldn't have in my opinion. And most of the signings have done well, with the jury still out on a few due to injuries or lack of game time so far. And that's coming from someone who wasn't that confident when we initially signed them. It certainly seems a more cohesive signing policy now that Stuart Millar is out the way.

Remember we were told by some on here that Sean McIntosh was the 2nd coming of Maldini, and Rohan Ferguson was the next Craig Gordon.

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On 28/11/2021 at 10:21, Diamonds are Forever said:

I thought O'Reilly showed exactly why we didn't keep him. He always looks lively but when you've watched him a few times you realise that 'liveliness' never actually translates into having any impact on a game, it's generally just running up blind allies to the corner flag.

Every year we seem to have a few players who get released that a few of the fans wanted to keep, but almost without exception they end up at a lower level and never work their way back up - Crighton, Millar, O'Neill,  S McIntosh, Thomson, Cairns, Roberts, Carrick, Russell, half the Stirling Albion team. That's just off the top of my head, could probably name about 20 more. A lot of these guys did a decent job for us, and a few go on to have decent League 1/2 careers (like a Liam Watt) which is certainly not to be sniffed at, but never anything that makes you think they'd have been made us into a promotion winning side or that it was a mistake to release them. The fact that the vast majority of players move down the leagues explains why we have been stuck in this league for so long, and also validates the decision to release them. The mistake in recent seasons has been replacing these guys with more players who also aren't good enough, and so the cycle repeated itself.

Overall I think Murray has done well with recruitment this year. There's no-one he released who he shouldn't have in my opinion. And most of the signings have done well, with the jury still out on a few due to injuries or lack of game time so far. And that's coming from someone who wasn't that confident when we initially signed them. It certainly seems a more cohesive signing policy now that Stuart Millar is out the way.

Pretty much spot on although a tad unfair to single out Stuart Millar given that the 10 or so seasons prior to that weren't exactly great either and we did have our highest finish for years last season. In fairness budget's dictate the standard of player at League 1 level although there are some occasional exceptions.

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21 minutes ago, Diamond1924 said:

What would you prefer? 
 

A premier league away day blow out to one of the big boys with a slim chance of progression? 
 

Or a tame league 1/2 fixture that would provide more of a chance of getting through? 

Definitely a money spinning away day to Rangers or Celtic. Could be the difference to get us over the line, bring in a couple of players in January with the cash. 

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4 hours ago, Kenny_m said:

Pretty much spot on although a tad unfair to single out Stuart Millar given that the 10 or so seasons prior to that weren't exactly great either and we did have our highest finish for years last season. In fairness budget's dictate the standard of player at League 1 level although there are some occasional exceptions.

 

I take your point, although my final paragraph I was more just comparing Murray's recruitment this season to our recruitment last season and who he chose to release, not to the previous decade. Also our 2nd place finish last season was due to signing Turner and Paton after the break which was nothing to do with Millar, our initial squad looked like a mid-table one to me, I don't think it's right to say that the squad Millar helped assemble finished 2nd such was the difference those 2 players made.

In the end I don't think there will be a huge difference this season compared to last, we certainly aren't anything special. But it does seem that we have a squad full of players that Murray trusts and fit his style of play this year. The last couple of years the squad has contained a few players who he clearly didn't want and seemed totally out of place. When you look at previous successful teams in this league it's based on manager led recruitment so I hope in the longer term it's a better strategy for us.

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The only thing I don't want from the cup draw is a team from our league.    Any prem team away like an aberdeen or dundee utd as we have more recently been to the glasgow teams.    Clydebank or banks o dee home or away would definitely make for uncomfortable viewing not just as the next round will be played in January.    I just hope it's not boring.  

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1 hour ago, G_&_T said:

Would you lot fancy Celtic away again?! 

Why not? Just so long as our supporters will put up with potentially another evening of the Green Brigade throwing bricks and stones at innocent Airdrie supporters (including women and children) outside the ground prior to the game, pro IRA chants during the game and a pitch invader aiming to attack our goalkeeper at the end of the game.     

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On 28/11/2021 at 10:21, Diamonds are Forever said:

I thought O'Reilly showed exactly why we didn't keep him. He always looks lively but when you've watched him a few times you realise that 'liveliness' never actually translates into having any impact on a game, it's generally just running up blind allies to the corner flag.

Every year we seem to have a few players who get released that a few of the fans wanted to keep, but almost without exception they end up at a lower level and never work their way back up - Crighton, Millar, O'Neill,  S McIntosh, Thomson, Cairns, Roberts, Carrick, Russell, half the Stirling Albion team. That's just off the top of my head, could probably name about 20 more. A lot of these guys did a decent job for us, and a few go on to have decent League 1/2 careers (like a Liam Watt) which is certainly not to be sniffed at, but never anything that makes you think they'd have been made us into a promotion winning side or that it was a mistake to release them. The fact that the vast majority of players move down the leagues explains why we have been stuck in this league for so long, and also validates the decision to release them. The mistake in recent seasons has been replacing these guys with more players who also aren't good enough, and so the cycle repeated itself.

Overall I think Murray has done well with recruitment this year. There's no-one he released who he shouldn't have in my opinion. And most of the signings have done well, with the jury still out on a few due to injuries or lack of game time so far. And that's coming from someone who wasn't that confident when we initially signed them. It certainly seems a more cohesive signing policy now that Stuart Millar is out the way.

I'm already looking forward to Jordan Allan scoring a double for Albion Rovers against some huddy outfit in the cup next season and there being folk posting online about how we should have kept him. 

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