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23 minutes ago, G_H said:

However if you are playing pish then you deserve to be called out on that, just not racially.

I'm glad this has been cleared up.

Hope you guys find the moron responsible and he gets the book chucked at him. Named and shamed, out a job, banned from games. The lot. Absolutely no time for this sort of behaviour at all - especially towards a top guy like Rico. 

Airdrie fans are a good bunch. They have a minority that give them a bad name, but any time I've been in the home end at New Broomfield as a neutral I've always found them to be some of the friendliest fans around. I've every confidence someone who heard it will get the guy named and outed.

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7 minutes ago, G_H said:

This is a false equivalence.

As someone who manages people myself, I have a responsibility to provide honest performance reviews and be critical where necessary (which affects pay rises incidentally). Am I shouting it from a stand? No of course not, it's an entirely different situation, and criticism has it's place as a motivator.

We do get negative feedback via social media (we are a very large and recognisable company), and while that is not my area, as my department is not customer facing it does touch on topics where the company I work for should be working to do better at.

In the 90s at broomfield, during the clubs most successful period in modern history, we gave as much stick to our own players as was given to the opposition, and here in 2021 people appear to be rather overly fragile when it comes to mere words.

As I said, that doesn't make racial abuse acceptable, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions without having all the facts in hand, as feels before reals and tripping over oneself to virtue signal is a losing mindset. The matter is for the club to deal with accordingly.

There's always got to be at least one who thrashes into these debates with the "hold on, this black man might be lying about being racially abused". Maybe you could have a wee word with Rico's dad in the stand on Saturday, tell him his son shouldn't be so overly fragile when it comes to words. Tit. 

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7 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

There's always got to be at least one who thrashes into these debates with the "hold on, this black man might be lying about being racially abused". Maybe you could have a wee word with Rico's dad in the stand on Saturday, tell him his son shouldn't be so overly fragile when it comes to words. Tit. 

I'm not disputing whatever was said, as I have as much information as you on that, absolutely zero.

I'm also not going to get outraged and join a witch hunt on behalf of someone else purely based on their say so.

How about mind your own club's business. Tit.

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44 minutes ago, G_H said:

I'm seeing all this hand wringing without knowing what was actually said.

You either trust the player by believing him when he said he received racist abuse or you insist that he provide proof before you support him.  You make your own choices but I'll go with the former.

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8 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

You either trust the player by believing him when he said he received racist abuse or you insist that he provide proof before you support him.  You make your own choices but I'll go with the former.

I'm going with: The club can sort it out and I don't see why I should worry about it either way (unless it means that Rico's skin colour somehow confers immunity to being told he is crap at playing at left back), however I don't see the point of this wee bit of performance art being exhibited by a few of you over it .

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12 minutes ago, G_H said:

I'm not disputing whatever was said, as I have as much information as you on that, absolutely zero.

I'm also not going to get outraged and join a witch hunt on behalf of someone else purely based on their say so.

How about mind your own club's business. Tit.

Mind my own clubs business :lol: 

4 minutes ago, G_H said:

I'm going with: The club can sort it out and I don't see why I should worry about it either way, however I don't see the point of this wee bit of performance art being exhibited by a few of you over it .

Not worried about potential racists abusing his own players. Condemning racism is now "performance art". Fucking hell. 

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4 minutes ago, G_H said:

I'm going with: The club can sort it out and I don't see why I should worry about it either way (unless it means that Rico's skin colour somehow confers immunity to being told he is crap at playing at left back), however I don't see the point of this wee bit of performance art being exhibited by a few of you over it .

Yea why worry about one of our players potentially being racially abused.

Also nobody is arguing that our players can't be criticised so I don't know why you're digging in on that, the point is that no player should have to do deal with racist abuse regardless of performance.

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2 minutes ago, G_H said:

I'm going with: The club can sort it out and I don't see why I should worry about it either way, however I don't see the point of this wee bit of performance art being exhibited by a few of you over it .

From my perspective, it's called allyship.  I have privilege because I'm white in a majority white country - the least I and others like me can do is use that privilege to let Rico know he is supported and that there are plenty of people willing to call out the abuse he received as unacceptable.

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2 hours ago, cb_diamond said:

Absolutely abhorrent behaviour from this individual. Needs a life ban asap. Add me to the list of people sick to the back teeth of the very small but admittedly very visible to the outside world group of "extreme right wing" numpties that have attached themselves to the club for many, many years. Tommy Robinson, Klan hoods, unacceptable salutes during songs. Moronic stuff, that bewildering gets defended by some. 

Jesus H Christ, you mean this is still happening at Airdrie. I haven't been for around 20 years but assumed the nazi salute shit had been binned in  the 90's. Saturday's incident has perhaps highlighted the need for those in charge of the club to address the abhorrent problem once and for all. And no, this doesn't happen at other clubs

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3 hours ago, Rossm25 said:

I remember having a go at a boy up at East Fife for singling out Nat wedderburn for abuse , so it's not just an isolated thing sadly. 

 

Feel for Rico,  was written off before he had even kicked a ball by folk and then this. No wonder we cant get players in , who would want to play for us ! I'd say the fans should do something as a show of support but not sure what. 

A wee bit unfair branding  all fan  because of one bad one, one of our fans heard a boy shout (get on your man) and Rico looked up at him, maybe jumped the gun and mistook what he heard  

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28 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

From my perspective, it's called allyship.  I have privilege because I'm white in a majority white country - the least I and others like me can do is use that privilege to let Rico know he is supported and that there are plenty of people willing to call out the abuse he received as unacceptable.

Yeah sorry, but I refuse to provide preferential treatment based on skin colour, gender identity etc. People have equal value regardless of these characteristics.

May have had a word if something particularly abhorrent was said in my hearing range (obviously not possible as was not at the game), but here's the reality for you - clearly no one thought or did much about it when it happened as the club are appealing for witnesses half a week after the event.

So again - not sure why the big song and dance.

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I'm going with: The club can sort it out and I don't see why I should worry about it either way (unless it means that Rico's skin colour somehow confers immunity to being told he is crap at playing at left back), however I don't see the point of this wee bit of performance art being exhibited by a few of you over it .


Mask seems to be slipping here.
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16 minutes ago, G_H said:

Yeah sorry, but I refuse to provide preferential treatment based on skin colour, gender identity etc. People have equal value regardless of these characteristics.

May have had a word if something particularly abhorrent was said in my hearing range (obviously not possible as was not at the game), but here's the reality for you - clearly no one thought or did much about it when it happened as the club are appealing for witnesses half a week after the event.

So again - not sure why the big song and dance.

In what world is supporting someone against racism  "preferential treatment". 

As for what took them a few days to come out with it, for all we know Quitongo and/or the club either wasn't sure how they wanted to proceed or didn't want to make an announcement immediately before a home game.

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Just now, NorthernDiamond said:

In what world is supporting someone against racism  "preferential treatment". 

Stuart indicated that he was extending his support on this item specifically due to Rico being black, I was simply countering that position as I don't think that someone being of any particular ethnicity is a good reason to bandwagon up.

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As for what took them a few days to come out with it, for all we know Quitongo and/or the club either wasn't sure how they wanted to proceed or didn't want to make an announcement immediately before a home game.

Fair enough re: club reaction, however most of my point was in reference to the crowd's lack of reaction.

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Fair enough re: club reaction, however most of my point was in reference to the crowd's lack of reaction.


Maybe people heard it but the idiot was surrounded by other fellow idiots and decided it wasn’t worth the risk of trouble. Just because no-one said anything doesn’t mean it wasn’t said. Fucking hell
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53 minutes ago, Jimi Shandrix said:

Jesus H Christ, you mean this is still happening at Airdrie. I haven't been for around 20 years but assumed the nazi salute shit had been binned in  the 90's. Saturday's incident has perhaps highlighted the need for those in charge of the club to address the abhorrent problem once and for all. And no, this doesn't happen at other clubs

To be complete fair, the vast majority of it has pretty much died out as our fanbase has dwindled away, the Robinson stuff a few years ago was likely the last major incident before this. It's more the fact that there is plenty of previous there for these kinds of behaviours among that small, but vocal minority.

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2 minutes ago, Aufc said:

Maybe people heard it but the idiot was surrounded by other fellow idiots and decided it wasn’t worth the risk of trouble. Just because no-one said anything doesn’t mean it wasn’t said. Fucking hell

 

Ah, so it didn't bother them that much then?

Can't have it both ways. Either it was a huge deal or it isn't.

I don't know as I've no idea what was said, which is also why I'm not going to dance around the totem pole with many of the rest of you  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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37 minutes ago, G_H said:

Yeah sorry, but I refuse to provide preferential treatment based on skin colour, gender identity etc.

Are you saying that calling out racism and supporting those who are subject to racist abuse is "preferential treatment"?

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5 minutes ago, G_H said:

Stuart indicated that he was extending his support on this item specifically due to Rico being black, I was simply countering that position as I don't think that someone being of any particular ethnicity is a good reason to bandwagon up.

Fair enough re: club reaction, however most of my point was in reference to the crowd's lack of reaction.

The point about supporting Rico "specifically due to being black" would make sense only if we lived in a totally colour blind world, which as this incident helps prove, we don't. 

Speaking out in support of people who have received racist abuse isn't jumping on a bandwagon it's basic human decency

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11 minutes ago, G_H said:

Stuart indicated that he was extending his support on this item specifically due to Rico being black, I was simply countering that position as I don't think that someone being of any particular ethnicity is a good reason to bandwagon up.

Nope, I said I was extending my support on the grounds that he's been subject to racist abuse.

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