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13 minutes ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

 

You were clearly implying that the club may have offered him a disrespectful amount of money.

Nope.  I said it was a possibility.  Huge difference.

Maybe something that folk should consider before slagging off players and their maws, unless they're certain of their facts.

And even then, slagging isn't big or clever.

13 minutes ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

I don't see how any amount could be disrespectful

If you can't offer someone a fair wage then don't waste their time by asking them to support your business with their effort and abilities.

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14 minutes ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

How does that follow? This is in regard to players that we currently have, almost all of which I'd be happy to see go. It's a way of ensuring we have a squad, but also have enough money to bring in better players so that we wont be relying on the cast offs.

If you get a reputation, fairly or unfairly, for messing your employees about, don't expect the good people to come rushing to work for you.

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7 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

Nope.  I said it was a possibility.  Huge difference.

Maybe something that folk should consider before slagging off players and their maws, unless they're certain of their facts.

And even then, slagging isn't big or clever.

If you can't offer someone a fair wage then don't waste their time by asking them to support your business with their effort and abilities.

First off, O’Neills mum (if that’s who it is) making public her opinion on the wages offered helps nobody. Also there was clear exaggeration in her statement to emphasise what she thinks was a low offer. If the club think it’s fair to them then who are we to disagree, especially when we don’t know the facts. 

Secondly, how do we know whether the club offered a ‘fair wage’ or not? That’s a matter of opinion, which clearly differed between club and player. 

I doubt they offered him a low wage hoping to push him out as they’re being very clear about what players are no longer part of the plans so I’m sure if they didn’t want O’Neill to stay they wouldn’t have offered him anything. 

Either way, he is replaceable. He was decent but not irreplaceable. 

It’s up to Murray and Millar to get in better quality and if that means offering lower wages to certain current players then so be it. 

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I doubt they offered him a low wage hoping to push him out as they’re being very clear about what players are no longer part of the plans so I’m sure if they didn’t want O’Neill to stay they wouldn’t have offered him anything. 

That’s what concerns me slightly.

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42 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

Nope.  I said it was a possibility.  Huge difference.

Maybe something that folk should consider before slagging off players and their maws, unless they're certain of their facts.

And even then, slagging isn't big or clever.

If you can't offer someone a fair wage then don't waste their time by asking them to support your business with their effort and abilities.

 

You said it was a possibility yes, but there was a pretty clear implication, whether you meant it or not.

Totally agree regarding the personal comments, and as I said earlier that is made worse by people making it an emotive issue, when it's actually a simple business decision.

On your last point, that still wouldn't make it disrespectful though, the club and player obviously differ on what they think is a reasonable wage for him. Don't really see how they are wasting anyone's time. All the players who had contracts expiring had a short meeting, O'Neil was offered something which he thought he was worth more than (again, which he may well have been) so rejected it. That should be the end of it, he moves on and tries to get a better deal elsewhere.

Fans are absolutely entitled to disagree with Murray's judgement on his value. But he is paid to make that decision and should be judged on who he gets in instead and ultimately the end result next season.

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Oh I do love the close season. Folk losing the plot over Chris O’Neil leaving :lol:

 

I suspect he was offered a deal that was reflective of his ability; which is a squad rotation player at best.

 

If our ambition for next season is to get promoted, we can’t rely on players like Chris O’Neil as starters. While he put in some solid performances in the second half of the season (the game where he was forced to play on the right side of a back three at Raith after Page was hauled off seemed to be a turning point for him), let’s not forget he was at times a liability at RB/ RWB before that point.

 

If we could get him on the cheap as a squad player, great. Anything beyond that would be bonkers.

 

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25 minutes ago, Glenmavis Diamond said:

Secondly, how do we know whether the club offered a ‘fair wage’ or not? That’s a matter of opinion, which clearly differed between club and player. 

I'll say again.  We don't know.

 

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I'll be totally honest, from an on the park point of view I have very few issues with anything that had happened thus far. I'd really hope that Stewart stays like many others have said. It's clear given the manager/DOF dynamic that there may well be more contacts out there to tap into and if there are very good junior players signed then I'm ok with that. Ditto if we push the boat out for a few from leagues above then that is similarly ok. My main hope would be that lots of folk are sorted early doors to try and get a bit of cohesiveness to the squad.

Also if I was Chris O'Neil I'd be pissed off and a bit humiliated that someone was spouting my contract rumours all over facebook. I agree that players families can be a liability on these things (mind the rocket father from last year on here) as prospective employers will look at that and think "if we offer him a deal he doesn't like will it get splashed all over social media?" At the end of the day, i'd of liked to have kept him but realistically he hasn't made a huge difference and he is a perennial part time lower league player. The average wage for part time lower league players is buttons!

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39 minutes ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

You said it was a possibility yes, but there was a pretty clear implication, whether you meant it or not.

I implied that the OP didn't know for sure what had happened, not that I did know what had happened.

51 minutes ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

Totally agree regarding the personal comments, and as I said earlier that is made worse by people making it an emotive issue, when it's actually a simple business decision.

Yup.  A couple of people (myself included) made fairly neutral observations and then folk piled in to create another fight on the internet.

I agree it's probably a business decision but there are good ones and bad ones and all shades in between and it's not clear where this one is.

55 minutes ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

On your last point, that still wouldn't make it disrespectful though, the club and player obviously differ on what they think is a reasonable wage for him. Don't really see how they are wasting anyone's time.

If I were to ask you to work for free in return for "exposure" or "experience" or a nominal wages that wouldn't cover your petrol money, I wouldn't expect you to take me seriously.  Some companies do though.

If you agree with the latter perspective, then I guess we'll just agree to disagree

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I don’t get the whole O’Neil thing he’s an 5/10 player at best and he ain’t gonna develop any better he’s being played and Center half because he’s not good enough for Right back/Right wing back,Give the club a chance to speak to players and see who they bring in before yous lot jump to conclusions

Don’t know what’s worse here or Facebook

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1 hour ago, cb_diamond said:

I'll be totally honest, from an on the park point of view I have very few issues with anything that had happened thus far. I'd really hope that Stewart stays like many others have said. It's clear given the manager/DOF dynamic that there may well be more contacts out there to tap into and if there are very good junior players signed then I'm ok with that. Ditto if we push the boat out for a few from leagues above then that is similarly ok. My main hope would be that lots of folk are sorted early doors to try and get a bit of cohesiveness to the squad.

Also if I was Chris O'Neil I'd be pissed off and a bit humiliated that someone was spouting my contract rumours all over facebook. I agree that players families can be a liability on these things (mind the rocket father from last year on here) as prospective employers will look at that and think "if we offer him a deal he doesn't like will it get splashed all over social media?" At the end of the day, i'd of liked to have kept him but realistically he hasn't made a huge difference and he is a perennial part time lower league player. The average wage for part time lower league players is buttons!

Yes the average part time wage in the lower leagues is buttons except at Airdrie where we pay well above the average and that's where the problem lies in trying to shift the players on two year contracts.

I appreciate there has to be a gap between full time and part time wages but it's going to be difficult when it's been reported on here that some of the top earners on P T wages were on £400.

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Wonder if the club have even made offers to Stewart and MacDonald to extend their contracts, like normal clubs do with players they want to keep, rather than just list them as available. Maybe they did and the players knocked it back. Of all the names given I'd have preferred Cairns and Stewart to have been kept. The rest are meh at best and at worst fucking atrocious.

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Wonder if the club have even made offers to Stewart and MacDonald to extend their contracts, like normal clubs do with players they want to keep, rather than just list them as available. Maybe they did and the players knocked it back. Of all the names given I'd have preferred Cairns and Stewart to have been kept. The rest are meh at best and at worst fucking atrocious.

It clearly states because Stewart McDonald have “Defender Kieran MacDonald and midfielder Scott Stewart, although part of the manager’s plans for next season, have also been listed as available due to the pair entering the final year of their”either they’ve been told they’re squad players or it’s basically get to f**k and we don’t want to pay yous off

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Wonder if the club have even made offers to Stewart and MacDonald to extend their contracts, like normal clubs do with players they want to keep, rather than just list them as available. Maybe they did and the players knocked it back. Of all the names given I'd have preferred Cairns and Stewart to have been kept. The rest are meh at best and at worst fucking atrocious.


I found that part of the announcement very strange. Why would them being in the last year of their contracts (which most players are in League One) have any relevance to being transfer listed?

Surely you’re either wanted by the club and therefore not available for transfer, or not wanted and on the transfer list?

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12 minutes ago, Diamond Oracle said:

 


I found that part of the announcement very strange. Why would them being in the last year of their contracts (which most players are in League One) have any relevance to being transfer listed?

Surely you’re either wanted by the club and therefore not available for transfer, or not wanted and on the transfer list?

 

Agree was a very unusual statement regarding Stewart and MacDonald,    Carrick is under contract next season and he hasn't been mentioned anywhere......

 

 

According to the Arbroath thread. Ryan Wallace is rumoured to want to return FT to Airdrie,  upgrade on what we had if true

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I found that part of the announcement very strange. Why would them being in the last year of their contracts (which most players are in League One) have any relevance to being transfer listed?

 

Surely you’re either wanted by the club and therefore not available for transfer, or not wanted and on the transfer list?

 

Could be wrong, but the way I read it is that they are available for transfer, but unlike the others they are subject to a transfer fee.

 

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Agree was a very unusual statement regarding Stewart and MacDonald,    Carrick is under contract next season and he hasn't been mentioned anywhere......
 
 
According to the Arbroath thread. Ryan Wallace is rumoured to want to return FT to Airdrie,  upgrade on what we had if true

f**k him wee rat c**t always hated him even when he played for us!

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f**k him wee rat c**t always hated him even when he played for us!
f**k sake

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