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38 minutes ago, Airdrie Minded said:

Cheers. Okay. I took it that it must be me as I’ve not seen any other updates/minutes anywhere. I’m all for debate/discussion though. I can see both sides of whether we should still be concerned about stuff. Not sure everyone has that opinion and I know some are just fed up with it all. I still find it of interest. Things like the shares not being given over - this isn’t just about now, it’s a longer term thing. Same with questioning stability of finances for full time football. Look at Wotherspoon to what can happen there. Folk arguing about football camps are missing a wider point potentially.

 

A lot of my posts/input on here stems from what we were sold and what’s happened since. 10 guys all with an equal say and the best interests of the club at heart. I know of the guys who have gone but don’t know them personally. I don’t know of PH either btw. I don’t think he lives in the town and don’t believe he was a supporter. Don’t think he needs to be btw but the ones that have gone are the ones we saw and heard speak at the outset and are also the ones we view as being out and out supporters so that’s a worry for me. PH, DFC and the Trust were all very convincing that this was a new era with a set up that would prevent one person having complete control and how this was the best way forward etc. Blue sky thinking perhaps but that’s fact. That happened. We’ve moved away from it very quickly and despite numerous resignations from the Board the club didn’t feel the need to comment. That’s unusual. We have people now backing the Board without question (and that’s their prerogative and right) but that were strong believers in the consortium and backed the individuals that have now walked. Fair enough if it’s just a case of being battle weary and fed up however I’d just like some communication to explain things. That’s not tin foil hat thinking surely?

 

I see this Trust issue as the fall out of a power struggle. I don’t see how pushing an organisation away that contributes financially makes sense (FFIT club is £8k for instance - that’s a lot surely for us and is recent income - not sure that equates to a free meal ticket). If the club want more money as alluded to above then get back round the table and talk to them. Ask for it!

 

Both sides need to work together here, could a solution be:

1. Trust commit to £x going to club or Y amount of events over the course of a year where income generated is for club (part of that happens though already?)

2. Club gives Trust shares

3. Trust become involved in and/or part of this new community Trust

 

2 is likely needed, 3 was mentioned last night.

 

Some very valid points.

for what it’s  worth, I don’t know any inside information about what’s going on but it’s clear some people do. I’ve read comments from people I know who have the clubs best interest at heart and seem to be showing support of the board and direction it’s looking to go. I take heart from that and liked the club statement about the hybrid plans for next season. 

The shares issue needs clarified and sorted. That’s clearly one of a number of issues causing a rift between the Trust and the board. Those involved on both sides need to get the situation sorted and start working together. All I’ve heard/read is comments about the Trusts side of things. However I’m not going to condemn the club not making public statements about it as it risks becoming unprofessional so sometimes silence is best on such matters.

Do I personally think the fallout between trust and board will hugely impact attendance next season? No, as first off, the trust doesn’t represent all fans views and secondly if the club get the right team on the pitch and start winning games, people will go and watch. 

The current feeling of being scunnered is not a new one caused by the current issues, it’s from years of having a shit product on the pitch. 

I see Murray and Staurt Millar as the right people to change that next season. 

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32 minutes ago, Glenmavis Diamond said:

Of course I am but what right do I really have to demand to know that information?

If you are a supporter of the club (especially if you are a longstanding one) you have every right.

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2 hours ago, Glenmavis Diamond said:

Some very valid points.

for what it’s  worth, I don’t know any inside information about what’s going on but it’s clear some people do. I’ve read comments from people I know who have the clubs best interest at heart and seem to be showing support of the board and direction it’s looking to go. I take heart from that and liked the club statement about the hybrid plans for next season. 

The shares issue needs clarified and sorted. That’s clearly one of a number of issues causing a rift between the Trust and the board. Those involved on both sides need to get the situation sorted and start working together. All I’ve heard/read is comments about the Trusts side of things. However I’m not going to condemn the club not making public statements about it as it risks becoming unprofessional so sometimes silence is best on such matters.

Do I personally think the fallout between trust and board will hugely impact attendance next season? No, as first off, the trust doesn’t represent all fans views and secondly if the club get the right team on the pitch and start winning games, people will go and watch. 

The current feeling of being scunnered is not a new one caused by the current issues, it’s from years of having a shit product on the pitch. 

I see Murray and Staurt Millar as the right people to change that next season. 

'However I’m not going to condemn the club not making public statements about it as it risks becoming unprofessional so sometimes silence is best on such matters.'

It would be difficult to argue that there are not people posting here under pseudonyms on behalf of the club. Transparency and authenticity is much more professional than that approach.

 

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10 hours ago, Airdrie Minded said:


I gave a summary (after someone asked) and its bringing them out the woodwork it would seem. I wasn’t trying to be a smart arse or in the know (I’m not). I was playing back what I heard last night. Anyway, I’ll not bother next time.

I was not having a pop at you, I was referring to the new additions to P & B, who joined the day after the trust meeting! 

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That Facebook group needs shut down. Its basically a big stick to nest the club with.

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That Facebook group needs shut down. Its basically a big stick to nest the club with.


The Facebook is getting nasty and personal. I’ll be imposing my usual summer social media shutdown soon and hoping the shitshow is sorted by the time August rolls around....

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Sorry I have to post this but I read somewhere that it was being suggested of the trust/fans buying out the club and being fan owned!!!!

 

This is nothing short of lunacy!!!!  It won’t work and as for the amount the trust have put in over 18 years it is less than 10k per season.  That wouldn’t even cover 3 home games stadium rental(based on previous quoted figures)

Surely this is not something that the trust are serious about???  (Not saying the trust actually want that as I don’t know so more of a question)

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It is clear that the Football Clubs relationship is completely irrepairable ,   if the club wishes to work with the new Community Trust them that's up to them,   And the Supporters Trust have no comeback if that is the case.    

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12 minutes ago, Diamond Outsider said:

Sorry I have to post this but I read somewhere that it was being suggested of the trust/fans buying out the club and being fan owned!!!!

 

This is nothing short of lunacy!!!!  It won’t work and as for the amount the trust have put in over 18 years it is less than 10k per season.  That wouldn’t even cover 3 home games stadium rental(based on previous quoted figures)

Surely this is not something that the trust are serious about???  (Not saying the trust actually want that as I don’t know so more of a question)

Some things you read are rubbish. This falls within that category. No way  this will happen and I would doubt the Trust would even think about it.

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Sorry I have to post this but I read somewhere that it was being suggested of the trust/fans buying out the club and being fan owned!!!!
 
This is nothing short of lunacy!!!!  It won’t work and as for the amount the trust have put in over 18 years it is less than 10k per season.  That wouldn’t even cover 3 home games stadium rental(based on previous quoted figures)
Surely this is not something that the trust are serious about???  (Not saying the trust actually want that as I don’t know so more of a question)
It seems like some people think that the trust have the right to own the club and it seems that these people believe they actually do own it. Theres only negativity coming from one side and it's clear which side it is. Its embarrassing and it's a clear agenda.

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Diamond Outsider you read somewhere .........where exactly did you read it?

Not saying the trust actually want that.........but you you inferred it in the first part of your post then covered yourself by claiming it was more of a question.

Another attempt to make the trust look incompetent and irrelevant.

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12 minutes ago, Nipper said:

Diamond Outsider you read somewhere .........where exactly did you read it?

Not saying the trust actually want that.........but you you inferred it in the first part of your post then covered yourself by claiming it was more of a question.

Another attempt to make the trust look incompetent and irrelevant.

No attempt to do anything to the trust

i read either here or on Facebook.  I will find and let you know where exactly 

 

sounds like you protest to much!!!!

perhaps you have are one sided and can’t see the other side!!

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It’s actually heartening to read that a lot of us are of the same view.

I take the Hybrid model and DoF appointments to be positive. Similarly with the Holemasters money. When we didn’t spend in January I was worried about it all going tits up.

Could the club be a success playing wise without the Trust? Definitely, but it would mean much more to me, and I think many of us, if we could all do it working together.

There’s a lot of good will built up for the trust committee and there is a lot of talent on the committee.

Trust and Club working together and a good team on the pitch would be manna from heaven after all that’s happened.

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It is clear that the Football Clubs relationship is completely irrepairable ,   if the club wishes to work with the new Community Trust them that's up to them


According to OSCR, the registered address for Airdrie Community Trust is the stadium, which suggests there might be more to the relationship between the Football Club and the Community Trust than just an agreement to work together.

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It seems like some people think that the trust have the right to own the club and it seems that these people believe they actually do own it. Theres only negativity coming from one side and it's clear which side it is. Its embarrassing and it's a clear agenda.


That’s a pretty subjective assessment. Your biases are showing.

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Sorry I have to post this but I read somewhere that it was being suggested of the trust/fans buying out the club and being fan owned!!!!
 
This is nothing short of lunacy!!!!  It won’t work and as for the amount the trust have put in over 18 years it is less than 10k per season.  That wouldn’t even cover 3 home games stadium rental(based on previous quoted figures)
Surely this is not something that the trust are serious about???  (Not saying the trust actually want that as I don’t know so more of a question)


I can assure you the Trust have absolutely no plans of a ‘buy out’ of the club. The shares under dispute are shares that were part of the original consortium take over, everyone else that paid for their shares has received them except for the Trust.

Also the Trust has put considerably more than 10k per season into the club over recent years.

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It is clear that the Football Clubs relationship is completely irrepairable ,   if the club wishes to work with the new Community Trust them that's up to them,   And the Supporters Trust have no comeback if that is the case.    


Just to clarify the new Community Trust is the clubs own Trust.

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The Facebook is getting nasty and personal. I’ll be imposing my usual summer social media shutdown soon and hoping the shitshow is sorted by the time August rolls around....

I’m the idiot asking not very difficult questions but coming across as a twat it seems so in that role of P&B idiot, (bitter ex director!? I wish!!!!!), can I ask did you not speak out against the Wotherspoon era, and full time football? Not meant as a criticism or a challenge, but why is this new model different to what happened then. We’re at the goodwill of one individual it seems.

 

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4 hours ago, Diamond Outsider said:

No attempt to do anything to the trust

i read either here or on Facebook.  I will find and let you know where exactly 

 

sounds like you protest to much!!!!

perhaps you have are one sided and can’t see the other side!!

Your observations, questions  under the guise of a concerned Airdrie  supporter has been  in my opinion less than convincing as they have been asked in an attempt to trivialise  the role that the trust has taken on over the last few years in trying to reconnect the club with the town. If you were a genuine fan you would know that and give them credit for the work that they have done.

Are you prepared to do that ?

 

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