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4 hours ago, ShineOnYouCrazyDiamonds said:


Thought O'Reilly looked really good from the few glimpses we got of him last season. With a lot of players challenging for attacking midfield and wide positions you do wonder how much game time Thomson will be able to get this season now that he's competing with Robert, Stokes and O'Reilly as well as Carrick and Roy.

Thomson flattered to deceive too often for me last season. He's skilful and quick which makes him a threat at this level, but his goal and assist return for a player of his ostensible talents is poor. That being said, it's the new boys who have everything to prove. But if they can produce the goods in terms of goals and assists then I could see Thomson struggling to get a look in. They obviously rate him though so no reason why he can't step it up himself. 

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Thomson flattered to deceive too often for me last season. He's skilful and quick which makes him a threat at this level, but his goal and assist return for a player of his ostensible talents is poor. That being said, it's the new boys who have everything to prove. But if they can produce the goods in terms of goals and assists then I could see Thomson struggling to get a look in. They obviously rate him though so no reason why he can't step it up himself. 

I quite liked Thomson at the start of last season (he was excellent in the 3-1 win against Clyde) but by the end it would have been difficult to consider him part of our best 11. His return in terms of goals and assists wasn't great at all and it seemed that whenever he found himself in a position to shoot his shot was either very weak or straight at the goalie. Perhaps I'm being too critical as he did show good glimpses and his season was broken up by a lengthy injury but I think it's a big season for him and Roy to try to prove that they earned their second seasons at the club. Hope both of them prove me wrong.

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Thomson’s an interesting one. I was surprised he got a new contract alongside the other key players midway through last season, as at that time he was out injured and before then seemed quite hit and miss. The manager must see something in him though given they were so keen to give him a new deal. 

He was outstanding in the 3-1 Clyde game as @ShineOnYouCrazyDiamonds says but other than that I can’t remember too many great moments, though that’s not for a lack of effort. He’s clearly a wide player but if I remember correctly he played as a left wing back in that Clyde game where he was excellent, though that didn’t work as well the following week up at East Fife. I remember him playing in midfield against Falkirk early in the season too and I guess being moved around and injuries don’t help when you’re trying to make an impact. Definitely a big season ahead for him, especially with all the other attacking options we have available.

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I quite liked Thomson at the start of last season (he was excellent in the 3-1 win against Clyde) but by the end it would have been difficult to consider him part of our best 11. His return in terms of goals and assists wasn't great at all and it seemed that whenever he found himself in a position to shoot his shot was either very weak or straight at the goalie. Perhaps I'm being too critical as he did show good glimpses and his season was broken up by a lengthy injury but I think it's a big season for him and Roy to try to prove that they earned their second seasons at the club. Hope both of them prove me wrong.


I quite liked the look of Thomson as well had just started his first few games after injury before lockdown after previously getting a few sub appearances. Remember his injury clearly and it looked a bad one so suspect we are yet to really see the best of him. But with o’reilly Robert carrick and Thomson we have plenty of options in the wide areas.

On a side note just saw thistle have signed kouider - Aissa on loan from livi exactly what we need in the squad - guaranteed goals imo.

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41 minutes ago, Stevo1968 said:

Anyone know if jai quitongo has signed for anyone so far, if not I’d take him!

Manager doest seem keen to add a striker, bit disappointing after all the Harry Rednap and West ham talk that has went on, yes the manger likes the goals from all over a d thanks fine but we really need a striker that will give us 20 plus, 

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1 hour ago, Stevo1968 said:

Anyone know if jai quitongo has signed for anyone so far, if not I’d take him!

Not for me, didn't recapture his form at dumbarton last season think he only scored once, i think we've been risky enough in the market this summer already.

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2 minutes ago, AJ77 said:

Not for me, didn't recapture his form at dumbarton last season think he only scored once, i think we've been risky enough in the market this summer already.

To be fair to Jai, he hadn't played football in a long time when he came to us and it was obvious that it took him more than a few weeks to get back up to sharpness. He can definitely be a danger in this league with a full preseason under his belt, but he told Duffy he was off to chase a full time deal down south. If that doesn't work out I expect he'll sign for someone in Scotland but I don't think he likes playing on plastic pitches.

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12 hours ago, Diamond10 said:

 


I quite liked the look of Thomson as well had just started his first few games after injury before lockdown after previously getting a few sub appearances. Remember his injury clearly and it looked a bad one so suspect we are yet to really see the best of him. But with o’reilly Robert carrick and Thomson we have plenty of options in the wide areas.

On a side note just saw thistle have signed kouider - Aissa on loan from livi exactly what we need in the squad - guaranteed goals imo.

 

Thomson is probably the quickest player we have and looked a real find in the league cup last season. As mentioned, badly hit with injury last year so hopefully a good pre season and he shines this year.

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A 20 goal a season striker would be nice, but those aren't exactly easy to find.  Granted last season was cut short, but only four players in the country managed it, five the season before, and six the season before that.  I'm missing the L2 figures from seasons 2013-14 and 2014-15, but with that caveat since the SPFL was formed only Shankland, Goodwillie (who for well-known reasons is playing below his natural level) and McAllister (likewise, but for less repugnant reasons) have hit twenty in more than one league season (three times, two times and two times, respectively).   Goodwillie was top of the L1 scorers' charts last season, but Carrick and Gallagher scored more between them than he did and Clyde didn't really have anyone else scoring a significant number of goals -  Airdrie scored more than Clyde did over the season.

L1 has had more strikers scoring 20 in a season than all the other leagues have, I suspect because it's the only league which consistently has full time teams playing against mostly part time ones but I'd need to look at the figures more closely than I intend to to confirm that.

In sum - yeah, it'd be great to sign a striker you can confidently predict will score that many goals, but I don't know where you could reasonably expect to find one who isn't already signed up and/or way out of our budget.

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4 hours ago, Stevo1968 said:

Anyone know if jai quitongo has signed for anyone so far, if not I’d take him!

Why.....

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3 hours ago, Jack Reed said:

Manager doest seem keen to add a striker, bit disappointing after all the Harry Rednap and West ham talk that has went on, yes the manger likes the goals from all over a d thanks fine but we really need a striker that will give us 20 plus, 

Not too sure how much is coming from Redknapp and the MacKays for that matter,   Thomas Robert is a MacKey client ibelieve,    Sabatini and Stokes have been recruited through a sports agency called Quorum Sports, owned by Imre Varadi (remember him).  all the information is available online, you just have to do a bit of digging, 

 We are pushing on with a high risk signing policy, hopefully we reep the rewards, we need out this league somehow,  in the coming years we will have Queens Park, Kelty Hearts breathing down our necks...  

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Passionate said:

Not too sure how much is coming from Redknapp and the MacKays for that matter,   Thomas Robert is a MacKey client ibelieve,    Sabatini and Stokes have been recruited through a sports agency called Quorum Sports, owned by Imre Varadi (remember him).  all the information is available online, you just have to do a bit of digging, 

 We are pushing on with a high risk signing policy, hopefully we reep the rewards, we need out this league somehow,  in the coming years we will have Queens Park, Kelty Hearts breathing down our necks...  

 

 

Thanks that's interesting, 

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Don't think it's necessarily fair or accurate to say that we're not signing another striker and/or the West Ham boy is no longer coming. There's still 4 weeks until competitive games and we haven't even played one friendly yet. Ordinarily we wouldn't have signed our whole squad by this point so I don't really see it as being any different in that regard. 

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13 minutes ago, airdrieman said:

Don't think it's necessarily fair or accurate to say that we're not signing another striker and/or the West Ham boy is no longer coming. There's still 4 weeks until competitive games and we haven't even played one friendly yet. Ordinarily we wouldn't have signed our whole squad by this point so I don't really see it as being any different in that regard. 

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2 hours ago, Tulloch Gorum said:

A 20 goal a season striker would be nice, but those aren't exactly easy to find.  Granted last season was cut short, but only four players in the country managed it, five the season before, and six the season before that.  I'm missing the L2 figures from seasons 2013-14 and 2014-15, but with that caveat since the SPFL was formed only Shankland, Goodwillie (who for well-known reasons is playing below his natural level) and McAllister (likewise, but for less repugnant reasons) have hit twenty in more than one league season (three times, two times and two times, respectively).   Goodwillie was top of the L1 scorers' charts last season, but Carrick and Gallagher scored more between them than he did and Clyde didn't really have anyone else scoring a significant number of goals -  Airdrie scored more than Clyde did over the season.

L1 has had more strikers scoring 20 in a season than all the other leagues have, I suspect because it's the only league which consistently has full time teams playing against mostly part time ones but I'd need to look at the figures more closely than I intend to to confirm that.

In sum - yeah, it'd be great to sign a striker you can confidently predict will score that many goals, but I don't know where you could reasonably expect to find one who isn't already signed up and/or way out of our budget.

Yeah I very much agree with this. I suppose it's natural to want a player like that but we're very unlikely to find a player proven to score 20 goals a season at this level. Looking at the players who've scored at that sort of rate for us in the last decade, it's only really Andy Ryan (23), Iain Russell (18) and Ryan Donnelly (21). Russell had high expectations but I don't think anyone expected Ryan or Donnelly to score as many as they did in those seasons. We might end up signing another striker who does very well but I think it's much more likely to be a striker in the Ryan/Donnelly mould, a young player who has a breakthrough season rather than someone who's proven as a great striker at this level. It was obviously a very small sample size but we saw last season that Andy Ryan never really hit the same heights as his first spell, though I would still like to have kept him. 

I think it's more sensible to try and spread the goals throughout the team rather than pinning all of our hopes on one player. Last season our main complaint was never really about the forwards, on the whole Smith, Gallagher and Carrick had really good seasons, but we really lacked goals and creativity in midfield. Hopefully the new signings can fix that which should only help us going forward. 

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3 minutes ago, Mr November said:

Yeah I very much agree with this. I suppose it's natural to want a player like that but we're very unlikely to find a player proven to score 20 goals a season at this level. Looking at the players who've scored at that sort of rate for us in the last decade, it's only really Andy Ryan (23), Iain Russell (18) and Ryan Donnelly (21). Russell had high expectations but I don't think anyone expected Ryan or Donnelly to score as many as they did in those seasons. We might end up signing another striker who does very well but I think it's much more likely to be a striker in the Ryan/Donnelly mould, a young player who has a breakthrough season rather than someone who's proven as a great striker at this level. It was obviously a very small sample size but we saw last season that Andy Ryan never really hit the same heights as his first spell, though I would still like to have kept him. 

I think it's more sensible to try and spread the goals throughout the team rather than pinning all of our hopes on one player. Last season our main complaint was never really about the forwards, on the whole Smith, Gallagher and Carrick had really good seasons, but we really lacked goals and creativity in midfield. Hopefully the new signings can fix that which should only help us going forward. 

Who knows, that striker having a breakthrough season might be a certain Mr Ally Roy. New season, new start! ♦️

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2 hours ago, airdrieman said:

Don't think it's necessarily fair or accurate to say that we're not signing another striker and/or the West Ham boy is no longer coming. There's still 4 weeks until competitive games and we haven't even played one friendly yet. Ordinarily we wouldn't have signed our whole squad by this point so I don't really see it as being any different in that regard. 

Yeah but there has been a whole 24 hours since we last speculated on the subject on here, and the lack of any news in the intervening timeframe is obvious proof that it's not happening.

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2 hours ago, GoalForAirdrie said:

Who knows, that striker having a breakthrough season might be a certain Mr Ally Roy. New season, new start! ♦️

You will be able to name your own odds, 

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31 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

Yeah but there has been a whole 24 hours since we last speculated on the subject on here, and the lack of any news in the intervening timeframe is obvious proof that it's not happening.

Only asked if any one had heard anything , he would probably be about 18 year old anyway, can't see the reason or sense of signing young players as no reserve team, journey men got to be what's needed in this league. 

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