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Posted this before I caught up with what others said and there was no need to rush for an early viewpoint. Thought we might do something and maybe not as defensive as Stranraer last night but the early hearts goal probably made it too difficult. I wondered about the 3-4-3 switch at the start and I can see that Murray might have wanted to have someone picking up Naismith but that was oot the windae   from then on. Could not see how the first goal went in but we did come back into , mainly due to Smith and Mcdonald  but it looked like the usual shys/corners for chances. Hearts might well have got a 2nd when Hutton charged out, so there was still hope at half time. That vanished in the 2nd half as Hearts simply controlled all the ball from back to front. They just were quicker and better passers and used the width to break through regularly. The 2nd goal was a great shot and that was that really.  They kept going forward and it was no surprise they got 5. The positives on the day were that Callum Smith did have a better game and 3-4-3 can be scrapped as overthinking the game. Naismith is still an international player and we never really coped once they got going . It's the League that matters so we will absorb the lessons and the revenue. Great support for the side and hope some come to see Stranraer's 9 man bus parking next week

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23 hours ago, Chapelhall chap said:

No changes to team if Roberts is fit. If he is out then Wedderburn will be in to let McKay have a roving attacking display. I suspect it will be the very common 2-1 score but it could be either way! Hope I enjoy it

I did enjoy it till the 2nd goal went in. Good to see my 2-1 prediction was mince as usual and my line up was even more wrong

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3 hours ago, 2lgm said:

Think Murray made a mistake effectively reverting back to the 3 at the back we use earlier in the season. McCann and McDonsld were too high up ran Hearts realised they could get in behind the full back in the 2nd half and took full advantage. Easy in retrospect but 4-5-1 might have been better and try to choke the game for a replay.

 

Agree with that. Kept getting down the sides of our centre backs/in behind the full backs. 2 goals came from it and plenty other chances. I think a narrow back 4 would have been better defensively. On the flip side Gallagher would probably have ended up being even more isolated than he was if we had played the usual system.

Probably worth a try from Murray so not too fussed, but hopefully that's the last we see of 3 at the back for the foreseeable future!

Edited by Diamonds are Forever

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The result seemed harsh today.

I watched the Stranraer game and, though they never posed a threat, Stranraer didn't look too bad a side. I hope Stranraer aren't buoyed by their performance and your players despondent from today's result, as you've had a good season so far. I'm hoping you get a good result next Saturday, and if so I quite fancy attending the Raith Rovers game.

Just out of interest, can I buy tickets on the day, or do you have cash turnstiles? I know you've got a big ground and getting a seat shouldn't be difficult, with all due respect, but I don't want to get to the game only to have to queue to buy a paper ticket and then queue again at the turnstiles. Thanks.

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1 hour ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

 

Agree with that. Kept getting down the sides of our centre backs/in behind the full backs. 2 goals came from it and plenty other chances. I think a narrow back 4 would have been better defensively. On the flip side Gallagher would probably have ended up being even more isolated than he was if we had played the usual system.

Probably worth a try from Murray so not too fussed, but hopefully that's the last we see of 3 at the back for the foreseeable future!

Poor Hearts team poor defending poor team selection long ball but down the channels strange substitutions. Did you  all stay till the end fantastic support that's what hope does amazing fans.... 

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35 minutes ago, Eric the half a b said:

Poor Hearts team poor defending poor team selection long ball but down the channels strange substitutions. Did you  all stay till the end fantastic support that's what hope does amazing

There is one thing a quality single malt gives you it's the realisation it's not just today we have been out of sorts the form over the last 5 games has not been great and if Robert's is not fit to play we have serious problems even if he allegedly doesn't like training... 

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1 hour ago, Ralstonite said:

The result seemed harsh today.

I watched the Stranraer game and, though they never posed a threat, Stranraer didn't look too bad a side. I hope Stranraer aren't buoyed by their performance and your players despondent from today's result, as you've had a good season so far. I'm hoping you get a good result next Saturday, and if so I quite fancy attending the Raith Rovers game.

Just out of interest, can I buy tickets on the day, or do you have cash turnstiles? I know you've got a big ground and getting a seat shouldn't be difficult, with all due respect, but I don't want to get to the game only to have to queue to buy a paper ticket and then queue again at the turnstiles. Thanks.

You can pay at the turnstiles on entry.  

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After the draw was made if anyone seen the results and premier league side beat a league 1 side 5-0 nobody would be very surprised.   So losing against a premier team isn't the end of the season like some seem to be making out. The fact we went into this game with some belief of an upset shows how far we have come from the start of the season.  My only disappointment from the game was the defending has been the same for the last few weeks.  Lessons haven't been learned.   Sean crighton has been a contender for player of the year up until the last few weeks.   Its has not just been him though.   A quick counter attacking team has to try to win the ball has high up the pitch as possible.   Over the last few weeks our defence have returned to backing off and letting players run with the ball.   This has cost goals.  It seems more like some players wait and pretty much watch to see what the other team are going to do.  If the manager doesn't like/trust roberts or hawkshaw then get an midfielder in who can carry the team up the pitch.  4-3-3  has been our most successful formation but having 3 defensive minded players in that position doesn't work.  If we dont have the funds then let some of the reserve boys go on loan or leave.  Sounds a bit harsh but having such a big squad and only a few reserve games left this season isnt going to help any of them.   Looking at the big picture from the start of the season we are where we want to be.  If we are going to challenge for the top position in the league we still have to improve.  If the people making to decisions are happy with where we are then dont expect anymore players to come in.   Disappointing to lose 5 but the league is where our focus should be anyway.  Just hope the heads dont drop from players or fans.  Some of those who came today I hope come nextweek and the players can see we are still behind them.   Still a long way to go in the season.  

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Though it would have been nice to have got through to the next round, the priority for us has to be to get into the promotion play offs ,if not to actually win the league which would be a bonus. I am putting yesterday's result down to a "bad day at the office" and it will be forgotten in no time at all if we perform well in the league.

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I think the important thing is that we don't totally collapse like we did last season after the Celtic game. That's been my main concern all week.

 

But Murray has a job on his hands as the recent form has been poor, we've rightly been pushing through it as a fanbase but a quick upturn is required to even get the play offs (I don't doubt we will get them) as current form is bottom half of the league stuff.

 

Thought Smith looked more like his old self yesterday which bodes really well.

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12 hours ago, Stevo1968 said:

Poor poor goals to concede didn’t think the back 3 dominated towards the end, felt like hearts suffocated us in possession! Thought smith done well and Millar tatted all day, Kerr done okay for being his first game in god knows how long in a new position, the league is our main priority and today was a good day out for the fans and a bit of a pay day for the club.

Big push now and we can win this league!!

Next week will be a test ,we need 3points to set us up for rovers game ,thought Stranraer looked a bit more organised than us against a better side than we played ,Andy  Ryan and Gallagher  will start I hope ,and Roberts who we missed yesterday ,to be left on bench and making the subs we made ,manager got it wrong as result points out ,yes it’s the league that is our priority ,but to be beaten by a poor Hearts team 5-0 ,would suggest we need a good few new players to see us even gain promotion ,corners and late goals have been a problem from day one and never been addressed,

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It wasn't a "mauling".  Poor but not a "mauling" - but as you weren't at the game and just looking at the scoreline I can understand why you might think it was.

First half thought we were really good. 2nd half probably was a mauling though. We just weren’t in it and lost 4 goals.

Not the end of the world though. The league was always priority.

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33 minutes ago, Airdrie76 said:


First half thought we were really good. 2nd half probably was a mauling though. We just weren’t in it and lost 4 goals.

Not the end of the world though. The league was always priority.

Lets be honest we got humped off a struggling premier league side sprinkled with internationals, comng off a mid winter break, trying to impress a new mamager, playing at arguably one of the most intimidating grounds in Scottish football....... Sugar coating the result and performance means nothing to this season's goal....   As a  supporter of any club, by watching games on a regular basis and not one game wonders, you realized your teams limitations and frailties,  basically Hearts were a few levels above and it showed up our limitations in various positions, That's football and we have a great chance to go for the title,  we had 1500 at Tynecastle,  fantastic, to be honest the next to home games are crucial to our hopes , 6 points required against Stranraer and ,Raith,  The team need our support at our home ground, which in my opinion is of a better standard than Tynecastle,  the number of restricted view seats  were ridiculous from the first few rows behind the goals.

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Lets be honest we got humped off a struggling premier league side sprinkled with internationals, comng off a mid winter break, trying to impress a new mamager, playing at arguably one of the most intimidating grounds in Scottish football....... Sugar coating the result and performance means nothing to this season's goal....   As a  supporter of any club, by watching games on a regular basis and not one game wonders, you realized your teams limitations and frailties,  basically Hearts were a few levels above and it showed up our limitations in various positions, That's football and we have a great chance to go for the title,  we had 1500 at Tynecastle,  fantastic, to be honest the next to home games are crucial to our hopes , 6 points required against Stranraer and ,Raith,  The team need our support at our home ground, which in my opinion is of a better standard than Tynecastle,  the number of restricted view seats  were ridiculous from the first few rows behind the goals.

Agree. I thought we were very flat second half and didn’t get going or do ourselves justice. But at the end of the day they have multiple international’s playing for them and are a premier league side. Losing by five is a bit of sore one but next week is the more important game so hopefully we get back on track.

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49 minutes ago, Airdrie76 said:


Agree. I thought we were very flat second half and didn’t get going or do ourselves justice. But at the end of the day they have multiple international’s playing for them and are a premier league side. Losing by five is a bit of sore one but next week is the more important game so hopefully we get back on track.

This game was a one of good day out as most of our cup games are however I am concerned with the formation the players who the manager seems not to trust that are the ones who drive forward in midfield. I like most have enjoyed the fact we are up there in the league and credit goes to the players and management that said the defensive frailties have been exposed at clyde EF etc. Also back to the long ball game at times. We do not have all the right players to play 3 5 2 and that is my concern that will be the system away to Falkirk and Raith in the weeks to come...

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This game was a one of good day out as most of our cup games are however I am concerned with the formation the players who the manager seems not to trust that are the ones who drive forward in midfield. I like most have enjoyed the fact we are up there in the league and credit goes to the players and management that said the defensive frailties have been exposed at clyde EF etc. Also back to the long ball game at times. We do not have all the right players to play 3 5 2 and that is my concern that will be the system away to Falkirk and Raith in the weeks to come...

Our form has definitely dropped in the last few weeks. Agree on the 352. Thought we were exposed 2nd half.

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7 minutes ago, Airdrie76 said:


Our form has definitely dropped in the last few weeks. Agree on the 352. Thought we were exposed 2nd half.

As you said the league is the priority the first goal was really poor but we did ok in the first half but the defending for the second was ... well not good then it was a case of how many as we were all over the place system right out the park...

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I'd consider freshening up the team for next week's game. Maybe something like

Hutton

MacDonald Crighton Fordyce McCann

Smith Millar Wedderburn Carrick

Gallagher Ryan

Would like to see Gallagher and Ryan play together as two strikers and I'm now convinced that Smith should be viewed purely as winger. Wouldn't be against Kerr coming into the team either and I'd be ok with McKay starting although I think we have better options. If we're playing one central striker with a 10 behind him I'd like to see Hawkshaw get a run out but like I said, I'd like to see Gallagher and Ryan paired up

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These are exactly my thoughts, said to my grandpa at the game yesterday Murray tinkering with things that generally didn't need to be tinkered with could remove all momentum we have/had. Yesterday could make or break our season. Disappointed doesn't quite cover how we should all feel about yesterday.

I think the important thing is that we don't totally collapse like we did last season after the Celtic game. That's been my main concern all week.
 
But Murray has a job on his hands as the recent form has been poor, we've rightly been pushing through it as a fanbase but a quick upturn is required to even get the play offs (I don't doubt we will get them) as current form is bottom half of the league stuff.
 
Thought Smith looked more like his old self yesterday which bodes really well.

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It's an old cliche but it really was a game of 2 halves. Don't think any Airdrie fan was too despondent at half time. We were a goal down from a bit of luck and still in with a shout. 

What was disappointing was how we folded in the second half, but that's where full time football and experience kicked in. Nothing to be ashamed of and there's plenty to learn from, but we move on now. 

For the Stranraer game, I'd like to see us go 442 with Gal and Ryan upfront together, Smith and Carrick wide. Same back 4 and centre mid I'd prefer Roberts back in for McKay, so partner him with Miller. We need to be on the front foot and show less fear. We are 2nd in the league and at home so must go on the offensive from the start. We won't do that with the same team that started against Hearts. 

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