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7 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

But its not your wee shitey diddy cup is it mate.. if you don't want Johnny foreigner in it stop inviting them, simple really..  Not sure that really needed explaining..

Aye, because the supporters of part time clubs are able to make that decision. 

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17 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

But its not your wee shitey diddy cup is it mate..

That depends on your viewpoint, mate.

For 25 or its 29 years it was only open to teams who actually gave a toss about winning.

I'm sure you'd be similarly thrilled if the FAI opened their domestic cup competition to English teams.

17 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

if you don't want Johnny foreigner in it stop inviting them, simple really..  Not sure that really needed explaining..

As if Scottish supporters are consulted when the league decides to invite Scottish PL colt teams & Welsh, N. Irish & Irish teams.  It's not as if it's our money that's sustained the competition since it started in 1990.

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2 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

That depends on your viewpoint, mate.

For 25 or it's 29 years it was only open to teams who actually gave a toss about winning.

I'm sure you'd be similarly thrilled if the FAI opened their domestic cup competition to English teams.

As if Scottish supporters are consulted when the league decides to invite Scottish colt teams & Welsh, N. Irish, Irish teams.  It's not as if it's our money that's sustained the competition since it started in 1990.

Yes but for the last four years now it's a Cup competition open to five different countries four of which as you say probably couldn't give a f**k about it. We might if our league circumstances were different. Unlike the other four countries we play summer football. 

As for the FAI inviting foreign teams into our cup competition it simply wouldn't happen. Not that the people that run our association are any more competent than their Scottish counterparts the fans wouldn't stand for it. Saying that Ireland don't have an equivalent competition to this. 

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24 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

As if Scottish supporters are consulted when the league decides to invite Scottish PL colt teams & Welsh, N. Irish & Irish teams.  It's not as if it's our money that's sustained the competition since it started in 1990.

It wasn't sustaining the competition, that was the whole reason why the format had to change in the first place.

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4 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

As for the FAI inviting foreign teams into our cup competition it simply wouldn't happen. Not that the people that run our association are any more competent than their Scottish counterparts the fans wouldn't stand for it. Saying that Ireland don't have an equivalent competition to this. 

So you can empathise with the (SPFL T2 - 4, LL & HL) Scottish fans who are similarly peeved then?

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2 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

So you can empathise with the (SPFL T2 - 4, LL & HL) Scottish fans who are similarly peeved then?

In a way yes but my point of posting in the first place was you lot having a go at Bohs for fielding a second string team at best. It's not really our problem mate. 

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Just now, craigkillie said:

It wasn't sustaining the competition, that was the whole reason why the format had to change in the first place.

Any evidence for that?

Similarly, if it is the case that there was insufficient interest in the competition for it to remain commercially viable, how was that situation improved by inviting PL colt teams - an act more likely to turn supporters away.

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5 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

In a way yes but my point of posting in the first place was you lot having a go at Bohs for fielding a second string team at best. It's not really our problem mate. 

Whatever the mitigating circumstances, your team still made a choice.  Maybe you need to have a word with your league for putting your team in a situation where they feel obliged to compromise their sporting integrity.

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8 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

Whatever the mitigating circumstances, your team still made a choice.  Maybe you need to have a word with your league for putting your team in a situation where they feel obliged to compromise their sporting integrity.

We made a choice not to play our first team because we have far more important games to play for with far bigger rewards. Our sporting integrity was not comprised and will not be compromised for this shambles of a competition.

Edit: in fact I'd say it would be compromised if we fielded first team players in this competition that effected our performance in our national competitions..  HTH

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8 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

We made a choice not to play our first team because we have far more important games to play for with far bigger rewards. Our sporting integrity was not comprised and will not be compromised for this shambles of a competition.

Edit: in fact I'd say it would be compromised if we fielded first team players in this competition that effected our performance in our national competitions..  HTH

I'm not sure the phrase "sporting integrity" means what you think it means.

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6 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

I'm not sure the phrase "sporting integrity" means what you think it means.

Explain it to me so

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Maybe its just me, but I really couldn't give a toss who plays what team in this competition.

If Bohemians want to accept an invite to play in this tournament (and no-ones held a gun to their head btw) and they want to send over an under strength team, that's totally up to them. We've benefitted from their decision by winning the game, that's the long and short of it.

I don't mind the "foreign" teams in it if I'm honest, its a break from the norm and a chance for Murray to try out new things (McKay and Macdonald playing, Roy getting games)

I'd be furious if the likes of Crighton or Gallagher got crocked, but we progress unharmed and a wee chance of a tasty away day. Alright it might not be financially beneficial for the club, but we don't get days to Wrexham or Solihull very often and how many chances will I have to take the wee man to another country to watch Airdrie?

We've moaned like f**k to get the colts in the bin, but it has been (and will be) ignored. I'll never go and watch Airdrie play a colt team, but pass up the chance to travel away and visit a stadium im never likely to visit again, never.

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5 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

Explain it to me so

One definition:

"The manifestation of the ethics and values which promote community confidence in sports, including fair and honest performances and outcomes, unaffected by illegitimate enhancements or external interests".

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1 minute ago, stuartcraig said:

One definition:

"The manifestation of the ethics and values which promote community confidence in sports, including fair and honest performances and outcomes, unaffected by illegitimate enhancements or external interests".

What external interests are they? 

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7 minutes ago, ++Ammo - Airdrie++ said:

Maybe its just me, but I really couldn't give a toss who plays what team in this competition.

If Bohemians want to accept an invite to play in this tournament (and no-ones held a gun to their head btw) and they want to send over an under strength team, that's totally up to them. We've benefitted from their decision by winning the game, that's the long and short of it.

I don't mind the "foreign" teams in it if I'm honest, its a break from the norm and a chance for Murray to try out new things (McKay and Macdonald playing, Roy getting games)

I'd be furious if the likes of Crighton or Gallagher got crocked, but we progress unharmed and a wee chance of a tasty away day. Alright it might not be financially beneficial for the club, but we don't get days to Wrexham or Solihull very often and how many chances will I have to take the wee man to another country to watch Airdrie?

We've moaned like f**k to get the colts in the bin, but it has been (and will be) ignored. I'll never go and watch Airdrie play a colt team, but pass up the chance to travel away and visit a stadium im never likely to visit again, never.

And the same goes for me if any of our first team got injured in this game and it effected our European qualification chances and FAI cup run.  Our manger knows this and why he played our youngsters. Any chance you can explain this to Stuart, he doesnt seem to get it.

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46 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

Any evidence for that?

Similarly, if it is the case that there was insufficient interest in the competition for it to remain commercially viable, how was that situation improved by inviting PL colt teams - an act more likely to turn supporters away.

This has been covered extensively by Skyline Drifter in other threads. The tournament was making a loss but was being subsidised by the SFL in the final (pre-Rangers) years of that organisation, and the merged SPFL was no longer willing to do the same.

The new format attracted more money in the shape of an increased TV deal and sponsorship which was aimed at making the competition self-sufficient. It is not clear whether it is actually doing so, but if it isn't then it seems more likely that it'll be scrapped completely rather than returning to the previous unprofitable format.

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4 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:

Other competitions that you stand to make more money from.

So again what's your point? We entered a squad, everyone who played was part of that squad.

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Maybe next time we wont be doing well in our league and out of our cup, then I'd have no problem us sending over our first team to wallop you.

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3 minutes ago, Bohemian said:

And the same goes for me if any of our first team got injured in this game and it effected our European qualification chances and FAI cup run.  Our manger knows this and why he played our youngsters. Any chance you can explain this to Stuart, he doesnt seem to get it.

I understand why clubs field weakened  teams in some competitions (beyond the normal requirement to rest players) - they're taking a commercial decision.  Kinda kills the point of the competition though if every team isn't competing to the best of its ability.

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