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We were speculating on Saturday that he might be going out on loan again since he needed games at a competitive level. Continuing the Murray clear out and it is a pity that he was not given a chance this season. Can't have been much of a fee and at least we should not come up against Kelty ( Cup/ tea cakes cup?) whereas Captain Conroy is just over the horizon (if not hill) in Peterhead.

Better bring someone in or it’s a ridiculous decision by the Club,IM and SM

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1 minute ago, Spanish Armada said:


Better bring someone in or it’s a ridiculous decision by the Club,IM and SM

I make it Smith/Roy/Gallagher as "strikers" and this does seem a bit light. As to someone coming in I will wait and see where we can find a big target man!

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If we got a fee for him - fantastic. It was obvious he wasn’t going to play much this season so better getting something now than waiting until the end of the season and releasing him.

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Said on here many weeks ago we need another striker, someone who has performed at this level or preferably from a higher league with a decent record and needs consistent first team football. If we are serious about getting out of the first division and getting prepared for Championship football we need to make a good quality signing. If any of our forwards get injured or hit a dry spell we are in trouble. And already, one goal in 2 games isn’t convincing. DoF talked about biding our time to get the best signings, let’s see if there is a desire to firm up the front line. We’ll need to score our way out of trouble in a few games this year and although I’m hoping to be proved wrong, there may not be enough there to keep us consistently in top 4

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Love how the club talks about us getting a fee for Cammy, Scott Stewart etc. Realistically what’s it going to have been? A bag of balls and a set of bibs? The chat of cashing in on players because they only had a year of their contract left (in a league where the majority are signed for a season at a time and no one really pays transfer fees) was baffling.

Sorry to see him go anyway. Seems like first team football was key here and can’t blame him at his age. Hopefully Murray has someone in mind to replace him. Still plenty of time and he obviously didn’t see him as being a key part of his plans.

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Like Dean Cairns, Cammy Russell didn’t get a fair chance. I get the impression with Murray that he makes his mind up on a player straight away and there’s no changing his mind.

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good move for Cammy ,Kelty a team that are going in right direction ,I would rather have their strike force than ours , we will likely sign  another  teenage midfielder ,and if he works hard he might go on loan to a junior side ,

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25 minutes ago, Jack Reed said:

good move for Cammy ,Kelty a team that are going in right direction ,I would rather have their strike force than ours , we will likely sign  another  teenage midfielder ,and if he works hard he might go on loan to a junior side ,

Agree,  it looks more and more like a work in progress project,   very similar in fact to his team he helped in Norway.   Always remember we need out this league ASAP have we a squad capable,  

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2 hours ago, AFC1878 said:

Like Dean Cairns, Cammy Russell didn’t get a fair chance. I get the impression with Murray that he makes his mind up on a player straight away and there’s no changing his mind.

 

Murray may be wrong about them, it is all about opinions, but I'm not having people saying that players weren't given a fair chance, every single youth player could claim the same thing. If you are good enough you will force yourself into the team and stay in it. Both of those players played over 40 times for the first team, they have had more opportunities than most young players could hope to get.

People have a very entitled attitude with young players these days, making out like the club/game somehow has an obligation to give these guys a career. The fact both the players you mentioned have had to move to the Lowland League suggests Murray's opinions on them are spot on. Good luck to the guy, but not fussed in the slightest he has moved on.

Edited by Diamonds are Forever

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Young players need to be developed though. 40 games played across a variety of positions and on an inconsistent basis doesn't really demonstrate a real chance for the boys.

 

I'm not raging about the decision but I would have liked to see him given a run in the team. As others have said I'm not in to bringing in someones else's young guy with no experience and no history of league goals when we have our own who we could give an opportunity to.

 

Having said all that, it just goes to show what fans know. All of the young players who were expected to develop when they got their chance have now been punted. although to be fair Edwards has gone up a league.

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Would have preferred keeping Russell ans letting Roy go. From what I have seen of him, he has no pace, cant beat a man and is limited in the goal scoring stakes, going by his record with previous clubs. 

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12 hours ago, Diamond Oracle said:

If we got a fee for him - fantastic. It was obvious he wasn’t going to play much this season so better getting something now than waiting until the end of the season and releasing him.

It's worth mentioning too that maybe the club had no intention of letting him go until a bid from Kelty came in, Cammy got wind of it and decided himself that he wanted to leave? I'd rather have had him around than not but if he wanted to leave to get more regular game time then I think it's a fair decision. 

11 hours ago, FLDiamond said:

Said on here many weeks ago we need another striker, someone who has performed at this level or preferably from a higher league with a decent record and needs consistent first team football. If we are serious about getting out of the first division and getting prepared for Championship football we need to make a good quality signing. If any of our forwards get injured or hit a dry spell we are in trouble. And already, one goal in 2 games isn’t convincing. DoF talked about biding our time to get the best signings, let’s see if there is a desire to firm up the front line. We’ll need to score our way out of trouble in a few games this year and although I’m hoping to be proved wrong, there may not be enough there to keep us consistently in top 4

Calum Gallagher got 16(?) goals last season. He's proven that, when played upfront, he can score goals at this level. For some reason he's barely featured so far. Which I'm sure might have been part of the reason why Russell decided to go if even Gallagher can't get in the team at the moment. I'd like to see us start with Gallagher and Smith upfront on Saturday.

I think Smith is better than Russell so the comments about developing another team's player ahead of our own are a tad unfair. Was anybody clamouring for Russell to play ahead of Smith before last night? 

The jury is still out on Roy for me. Has some nice touches but struggles to make an impact on the game IMO, although possibly being stuck out wide hasn't helped. Probably doesn't help that he's playing beside and so will be getting compared to Smith who is involved in the game all the time. 

There's Carrick as well although as we know he's unlikely to get you many goals. 

Will that be enough? If they're all on form then yes, it should be fine. Any injuries or loss of form and we might start to struggle although that would probably have been the case even if Russell stayed. I guess Smith could technically be called back at some point too depending on the terms of his loan? There's Hughes and Pyott from the academy and reserves respectively too although Hughes is only 16 and Pyott has no senior first team experience. 

Millar said Murray is happy with the squad as it is at the moment so we'll just have to go with it. I do think a a partnership of Gallagher and Smith upfront would be decent enough for this level. 

 

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3 hours ago, Moon said:

Young players need to be developed though. 40 games played across a variety of positions and on an inconsistent basis doesn't really demonstrate a real chance for the boys.

 

I'm not raging about the decision but I would have liked to see him given a run in the team. As others have said I'm not in to bringing in someones else's young guy with no experience and no history of league goals when we have our own who we could give an opportunity to.

 

Having said all that, it just goes to show what fans know. All of the young players who were expected to develop when they got their chance have now been punted. although to be fair Edwards has gone up a league.

 

Again, if they were good enough they would have demanded by their performances regular starts in their preferred position. The managers and coaches see these guys every week in training/youth games/reserve games and their first team appearances. It may sound harsh, but given how bad we've been the last few years if guys can't get themselves a regular game after 2-3 years around the first team it is because they aren't up to standard, not because of opportunities.

On the second point, I am absolutely up for bringing in other guys over our own if they are better. Smith is a better footballer than Russell so that is good with me. The priority is to get out of this league by getting the best team on the pitch. Developing our own youngsters would be nice, but it should never be at the expense of the quality of player in the first team.

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Expect Diamond Owl along soon... 

All the best to him though. Obviously it didn’t work out here for whatever reason but he can find some fitness and some enjoyment in football again. 

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Looks like the 'fee' we got for Cammy was used to pay off Page going by the timing. Would like to think we could bring a striker in shortly.

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3 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

 

Again, if they were good enough they would have demanded by their performances regular starts in their preferred position. The managers and coaches see these guys every week in training/youth games/reserve games and their first team appearances. It may sound harsh, but given how bad we've been the last few years if guys can't get themselves a regular game after 2-3 years around the first team it is because they aren't up to standard, not because of opportunities.

On the second point, I am absolutely up for bringing in other guys over our own if they are better. Smith is a better footballer than Russell so that is good with me. The priority is to get out of this league by getting the best team on the pitch. Developing our own youngsters would be nice, but it should never be at the expense of the quality of player in the first team.

I can't wholly disagree with your second point, largely because we need to get out of this league and I think we're all eager for that to happen.

 

But not developing youngsters for the first team is a poor long term strategy. 

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Very glad Page is gone. His attitude stank last season. Then his self entitled bawling the other week just crystallised my already rock bottom opinion of him!

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36 minutes ago, cb_diamond said:

Very glad Page is gone. His attitude stank last season. Then his self entitled bawling the other week just crystallised my already rock bottom opinion of him!

Likely be two sides to story .

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