The Official Airdrieonians Thread - 2019/20 and beyond

[Jack Reed]

12 hours ago, G_H said:

getting beat 6-0 at home, even regardless of being down to 10 men, is a complete embarrassment.

Would like to hear what Prunty and Hutton were thinking. What are they doing or meant to be doing in the dugout. 

[Rhys McCabe Hype Train]

12 hours ago, Diamonds are Forever said:

I can't remember Murray ever doing something like that with 10 men though, certainly not with that long to go in the game

A point I made yesterday to the folk sitting a few along. Can’t remember many capitulations under Murray but happy to be corrected.

Incidentally, I noted Stuart Millar back in the soft seats recently, one hopes he’s not the answer to “is Rhys going to get any support”.

[She who dares gins]

Would like to hear what Prunty and Hutton were thinking. What are they doing or meant to be doing in the dugout. 

Absolutely nothing based on games played so far.

[David Fernández]

At the Dunfermline game last week Rhys made subs and changed shape during the game. So their were genuinely no reasons why he couldn't do the same yesterday whether he was playing or on the bench.

[Mr November]

4 minutes ago, Rhys McCabe Hype Train said:

Incidentally, I noted Stuart Millar back in the soft seats recently, one hopes he’s not the answer to “is Rhys going to get any support”.

I noticed him there at one of the home games towards the end of last season so hopefully he’s just along to watch games as the last thing this team needs is Eoghan Stokes.

[Mybitchunderprotest]

13 minutes ago, Jack Reed said:

Would like to hear what Prunty and Hutton were thinking. What are they doing or meant to be doing in the dugout. 

I've asked the same thing in my post on the match thread. If they are making suggestions to Rhys based on what they are watching and these are being disregarded then that's not on them. If they're not doing anything then perhaps there is a need for a stronger character in the dugout.

[Shandon Par]

17 minutes ago, David Fernández said:

At the Dunfermline game last week Rhys made subs and changed shape during the game. So their were genuinely no reasons why he couldn't do the same yesterday whether he was playing or on the bench.

Maybe the pressure of feeling like he has to play a certain way at home? We had to suffer they philosophy of the two clown managers last season who harped on about entertaining the fans at home. Vanity over sanity sometimes with managers.

[David Fernández]

Maybe the pressure of feeling like he has to play a certain way at home? We had to suffer they philosophy of the two clown managers last season who harped on about entertaining the fans at home. Vanity over sanity sometimes with managers.

If that trend continues with our gaffer, we might well find ourselves in your 'Pottsy's bottom of the league thread'.

[Shandon Par]

2 minutes ago, David Fernández said:

21 minutes ago, Shandon Par said:

Maybe the pressure of feeling like he has to play a certain way at home? We had to suffer they philosophy of the two clown managers last season who harped on about entertaining the fans at home. Vanity over sanity sometimes with managers.

If that trend continues with our gaffer, we might well find ourselves in your 'Pottsy's bottom of the league thread'.

You’d be made most welcome! 

[Jack Reed]

55 minutes ago, Mybitchunderprotest said:

I've asked the same thing in my post on the match thread. If they are making suggestions to Rhys based on what they are watching and these are being disregarded then that's not on them. If they're not doing anything then perhaps there is a need for a stronger character in the dugout.

Aye you would think  things would be for the better if all pulled in same direction, manager wants to play certain way but if not working 4 heads better than one if all have been trusted to have some input, 

[Diamond Oracle]

Despite the appalling result yesterday, I’m not overly worried.

When it was 11 vs. 11 Edinburgh struggled to get out their own half. McCabe’s naive tactics were to blame for the heavy defeat in the end but I’ve no doubt he’ll learn from this. You cant expect to appoint a 29 year old manager and for him not to make a few catastrophic mistakes along the way.

I’d like to think we’ll be back to our usual selves next week. McAllister being suspended will definitely help!

[ShineOnYouCrazyDiamonds]

30 minutes ago, Diamond Oracle said:

Despite the appalling result yesterday, I’m not overly worried.

When it was 11 vs. 11 Edinburgh struggled to get out their own half. McCabe’s naive tactics were to blame for the heavy defeat in the end but I’ve no doubt he’ll learn from this. You cant expect to appoint a 29 year old manager and for him not to make a few catastrophic mistakes along the way.

I’d like to think we’ll be back to our usual selves next week. McAllister being suspended will definitely help!

Montrose away isn’t the easiest game to be next up however. If we’d won yesterday I think most would have seen a draw away to Montrose as a good result, but now we’re in a position where a draw extends a winless run to 3 games. Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with drawing away to Montrose, but it’s not an easy place to go when we’re all hoping for a positive reaction from the team, especially when we’ll be missing Ballantyne through suspension.

[Passionate]

4 hours ago, Jack Reed said:

Would like to hear what Prunty and Hutton were thinking. What are they doing or meant to be doing in the dugout. 

I sit around the home dug outs and there is no communication between Prunty, Hutton and either Rhys or Fordyce during the game,  it is quite a bizarre situation,   Prunty love him or loathe him is normally a hyper active cheerleader type on the sideline,  this season Prunty looks pretty glum and fed up even when we have been winning.....

 

the club promised Rhys a support structure (whatever that means)  to help him I suppose in situations like this......

[Diamond Oracle]

Montrose away isn’t the easiest game to be next up however. If we’d won yesterday I think most would have seen a draw away to Montrose as a good result, but now we’re in a position where a draw extends a winless run to 3 games. Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with drawing away to Montrose, but it’s not an easy place to go when we’re all hoping for a positive reaction from the team, especially when we’ll be missing Ballantyne through suspension.

I wouldn’t be disappointed with a draw next week

[Kenny_m]

1 hour ago, Diamond Oracle said:

I wouldn’t be disappointed with a draw next week

Rhys's first blip in management yesterday and there will be a lengthy queue waiting to say "It was never going to work". He's under more pressure than most if he goes on a bad run.

So it's an away win for me.

[ShineOnYouCrazyDiamonds]

Definitely still need a centre back and a centre mid in my opinion. If Watson’s best position is right back then really we’ve only got Fordyce as a natural centre back with cover provided by a right back (Watson), left back (ATS) and a midfielder (McCabe). I’d like to see Fordyce have a consistent partner in defence that is a natural centre back.

Numbers in midfield might seem ok, but at the moment I’d say we’re relying on Devenny being a first team player all season. McCabe and Frizzell we can maybe expect to play every week, but Devenny’s only competition at the moment is Wylie and I suppose McMaster when he returns from injury. Becomes even more of an issue if/when McCabe is required to cover centre back.

Would be really good to get a player in before Montrose so we have some good news to perk us up after a bad weekend. 

[Kenny_m]

19 hours ago, She who dares gins said:

There’s just so much I don’t understand about how and why we did things today - the sense of confusion is overriding being pissed at the result. Moving Justin to the left after benching Euan despite having just signed a player capable of fitting in there if needed. The decision to still go for it when everyone could see the game was probably gone at 3-0. Rhys and Dycey staying on the park when perhaps making a sub and managing the damage would have been better. Everything that could have gone wrong did and they absolutely demolished us. So fair play to them.

It looked to me like he tried to get his best 11 on the park, regardless of positions. It didn't work! 

[Jack Reed]

2 minutes ago, Kenny_m said:

Rhys's first blip in management yesterday and there will be a lengthy queue waiting to say "It was never going to work". He's under more pressure than most if he goes on a bad run.

So it's an away win for me.

Think the new signing will come in next week, got to be Gal from the start just think he does better if starting, maybe a confidence thing, 

[Aufc]

The thing about this “this is my style of play and I can’t deviate from it” is that, in my opinion, it only really works at the top level. Most teams are not good enough to have one way of playing. Man City etc will generally play the same way because they have the best players so, more often than not, they will win. Teams like airdrie can’t afford to do this. It sounds nice but it doesn’t work. It’s nice to be able to win games and play nice football which we have been doing, however, sometimes you have to adjust to the situation.

Hopefully a learning curve. Cant really slag the team too much as they have been doing well

[Diamonds are Forever]

19 minutes ago, Aufc said:

The thing about this “this is my style of play and I can’t deviate from it” is that, in my opinion, it only really works at the top level. Most teams are not good enough to have one way of playing. Man City etc will generally play the same way because they have the best players so, more often than not, they will win. Teams like airdrie can’t afford to do this. It sounds nice but it doesn’t work. It’s nice to be able to win games and play nice football which we have been doing, however, sometimes you have to adjust to the situation.

Hopefully a learning curve. Cant really slag the team too much as they have been doing well

 

Absolutely, and even then it doesn't work unless you are exceptional at the top level like peak Barcelona. As you say Man City to an extent but they still haven't won the Champions League which I'd argue is due to their soft centre and inability to grind out results when exposed by the best. It's obviously on a different football planet than League 1 but I think the principle is the same.

There's no other sport where a coach or player would go into the match with a 'way of playing' and refuse to deviate, and then for this to somehow be a trait that they should be proud of. In League 1 there is so little between the teams and the games so evenly matched (well, except when losing 6-0...) that you just cannot afford to think 'we're playing this way and that's it', you must be adaptable and play what's in front of you. The other thing is now we've played a few games teams will have seen us and worked us out, so we'll need to have different options or we'll become very predictable.