19QOS19 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 They are all the main attacking threat for their respective teams, as Dobbie is. To be fair I would guess that you wouldn’t swap Dobbie for any of those mentioned but it would be interesting to see what the thought would be from a neutral on Dobbie vs Strikers of the better Premiership teams. It’s a good debate though as he definitely is a good player, I’m not denying that for a second. If it makes my point any easier to understand I wouldn’t swap any of those names I’ve named for Lawrence Shankland either. Would you swap Dobbie for Shankland based on having seen both at close quarters I assume. I think even Ayr fans would admit Shankland has been anonymous (by his standards) against us. Based on what I've seen of opposition players (purely) in games against us, Shankland wouldn't even make my Championship 11. Even if he had appeared, Dobbie has 10 years on him and is keeping pace with/outscoring him. I wouldn't swap Dobbie for Shankland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: I think even Ayr fans would admit Shankland has been anonymous (by his standards) against us. Based on what I've seen of opposition players (purely) in games against us, Shankland wouldn't even make my Championship 11. Even if he had appeared, Dobbie has 10 years on him and is keeping pace with/outscoring him. I wouldn't swap Dobbie for Shankland. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobles Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Fair enough.Wow!A civilised end to a debate on an Aberdeen - QOTS thread from a Killie fan.No wonder I don't understand Brexit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Dindeleux said: I actually decided to do a bit of checking on the bit in bold, here are the Scottish cup results (if a replay I've taken the replay result) over the last few seasons between Premiership and Championship clubs: 2019: Aberdeen 4-1 QOTS, St Mirren 3-2 Alloa, Motherwell 1-2 Ross County, QOTS 3-0 Dundee (2 wins for each division) 2018: Aberdeen 4-1 St Mirren, Celtic 5-0 Brechin, QOTS 1-2 Partick Thistle, ICT 0-1 Dundee, Aberdeen 4-2 Dundee Utd. Celtic 3-0 Morton, Rangers 4-1 Falkirk (7 wins out of 7 for the Premiership clubs) 2017: Ross County 6-2 Dundee Utd, Dundee 0-2 St Mirren, Hearts 4-2 Raith, Hamilton beat Dunfermline on pens, Hibs 3-1 Hearts, Rangers 2-1 Morton, Celtic 4-1 St Mirren ( 5 wins for the Prem, 2 for the second tier 2016: St Mirren 1-2 Partick Thistle, Ross County 1-0 Dunfermline, Dundee 2-1 Falkirk, Rangers 2-1 Kilmarnock, Hibs 1-0 Hearts, Dundee 5-0 Dumbarton, Rangers 4-0 Dundee, Hibs 2-1 ICT, Celtic 3-0 Morton, Hibs beat Dundee Utd on Pens as did Rangers over Celtic ( 5 wins for Premiership, 6 wins for the Championship) 2015: Rangers 3-0 Kilmarnock, Celtic 4-0 Hearts, QOTS 2-0 St Johnstone, ICT 1-0 Raith ( 2 wins each way ) In that time the Premiership clubs have progressed in 21 ties against Championship clubs whereas the lower tier side has won 12. When you consider that half of those 12 wins came when you had Hibs, Hearts and Rangers in the second tier it would indicate that there is quite a gap between the two divisions. #facts Not that it changes the point you are making but St Mirren 1 Dundee United 2 in 2019 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALOREBURNE Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 The Pittodrie pie was excellent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 28 minutes ago, ALOREBURNE said: The Pittodrie pie was excellent... Mutton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALOREBURNE Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Distant Doonhamer said: Mutton? That would have been apt but it contained mince and gravy. Excellent to soak up a few pints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellAnderson Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 They’re much better than they used to be. I mind when they were that grey, wobbly, mushy minced meat and they just tasted like salt. I mean I still liked it, it’s meat and pastry y’know? The new ones are genuinely like the ones from a nice bakers’. Nothing on Kelly of Cults though [emoji121]️[emoji121]️ gone but not forgotten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep62 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 23 hours ago, Dindeleux said: I actually decided to do a bit of checking on the bit in bold, here are the Scottish cup results (if a replay I've taken the replay result) over the last few seasons between Premiership and Championship clubs: 2019: Aberdeen 4-1 QOTS, St Mirren 3-2 Alloa, Motherwell 1-2 Ross County, QOTS 3-0 Dundee (2 wins for each division) 2018: Aberdeen 4-1 St Mirren, Celtic 5-0 Brechin, QOTS 1-2 Partick Thistle, ICT 0-1 Dundee, Aberdeen 4-2 Dundee Utd. Celtic 3-0 Morton, Rangers 4-1 Falkirk (7 wins out of 7 for the Premiership clubs) 2017: Ross County 6-2 Dundee Utd, Dundee 0-2 St Mirren, Hearts 4-2 Raith, Hamilton beat Dunfermline on pens, Hibs 3-1 Hearts, Rangers 2-1 Morton, Celtic 4-1 St Mirren ( 5 wins for the Prem, 2 for the second tier 2016: St Mirren 1-2 Partick Thistle, Ross County 1-0 Dunfermline, Dundee 2-1 Falkirk, Rangers 2-1 Kilmarnock, Hibs 1-0 Hearts, Dundee 5-0 Dumbarton, Rangers 4-0 Dundee, Hibs 2-1 ICT, Celtic 3-0 Morton, Hibs beat Dundee Utd on Pens as did Rangers over Celtic ( 5 wins for Premiership, 6 wins for the Championship) 2015: Rangers 3-0 Kilmarnock, Celtic 4-0 Hearts, QOTS 2-0 St Johnstone, ICT 1-0 Raith ( 2 wins each way ) In that time the Premiership clubs have progressed in 21 ties against Championship clubs whereas the lower tier side has won 12. When you consider that half of those 12 wins came when you had Hibs, Hearts and Rangers in the second tier it would indicate that there is quite a gap between the two divisions. #facts Facts as they may be, this is conclusive proof that you can interpret facts however you like to fit your agenda. What has the fact that half of the wins for Championship clubs got to do with the fact that half of them of them occurred whilst Hibs, Hearts and The Zombies were in that league got to do with anything. Facts are as follows: 1) Hearts & Hibs were in the championship because they had been relegated and in footballing terms weren't worthy of being in the top division at that time 2) Zombies were there because they had been promoted into that league Just because two of them might have been amongst the "bigger" names in Scottish football and the other one is a reincarnation of a bunch of cheating b*****ds, can't hide the fact that they were where they on merit and anything else is totally irrelevant Await the expected -1's for highlighting the obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sheep62 said: Facts as they may be, this is conclusive proof that you can interpret facts however you like to fit your agenda. What has the fact that half of the wins for Championship clubs got to do with the fact that half of them of them occurred whilst Hibs, Hearts and The Zombies were in that league got to do with anything. Facts are as follows: 1) Hearts & Hibs were in the championship because they had been relegated and in footballing terms weren't worthy of being in the top division at that time 2) Zombies were there because they had been promoted into that league Just because two of them might have been amongst the "bigger" names in Scottish football and the other one is a reincarnation of a bunch of cheating b*****ds, can't hide the fact that they were where they on merit and anything else is totally irrelevant Await the expected -1's for highlighting the obvious Not at all buddy, I'm quite happy to discuss this with you. No need for you to get annoyed about it. Lets call Hibs, Hearts etc what they were at the time then - Championship clubs. Based on that and the fact that Premiership teams have progressed 21 times from 33 ties and the Championship have only got through 12 times how can you say that there is nothing between Premiership and Championship clubs? Those figures would indicate there is quite a sizeable gap. If not then surely it would be close to a 50/50 split as opposed to top flight teams progressing almost two-thirds of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep62 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dindeleux said: Not at all buddy, I'm quite happy to discuss this with you. No need for you to get annoyed about it. Lets call Hibs, Hearts etc what they were at the time then - Championship clubs. Based on that and the fact that Premiership teams have progressed 21 times from 33 ties and the Championship have only got through 12 times how can you say that there is nothing between Premiership and Championship clubs? Those figures would indicate there is quite a sizeable gap. If not then surely it would be close to a 50/50 split as opposed to top flight teams progressing almost two-thirds of the time. I'm actually not annoyed at you. Honestly I do however get pissed off at those who constantly say my team should have finished at least runners up during those club;s absence from the top league. One, we did, and two and this is again the crux of the matter they were absent because they weren't good enough to play with the top boys. On separate note Hope you f**k the Zombies in the replay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I'm actually not annoyed at you. Honestly I do however get pissed off at those who constantly say my team should have finished at least runners up during those club;s absence from the top league. One, we did, and two and this is again the crux of the matter they were absent because they weren't good enough to play with the top boys. On separate note Hope you f**k the Zombies in the replay[emoji5]This tangent you appear to be away on confirms my suspicions that you have zero #facts to dispute my #facts that show Premiership sides are better than Championship sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 On 11/02/2019 at 19:20, Dindeleux said: I actually decided to do a bit of checking on the bit in bold, here are the Scottish cup results (if a replay I've taken the replay result) over the last few seasons between Premiership and Championship clubs: 2019: Aberdeen 4-1 QOTS, St Mirren 3-2 Alloa, Motherwell 1-2 Ross County, QOTS 3-0 Dundee (2 wins for each division) 2018: Aberdeen 4-1 St Mirren, Celtic 5-0 Brechin, QOTS 1-2 Partick Thistle, ICT 0-1 Dundee, Aberdeen 4-2 Dundee Utd. Celtic 3-0 Morton, Rangers 4-1 Falkirk (7 wins out of 7 for the Premiership clubs) 2017: Ross County 6-2 Dundee Utd, Dundee 0-2 St Mirren, Hearts 4-2 Raith, Hamilton beat Dunfermline on pens, Hibs 3-1 Hearts, Rangers 2-1 Morton, Celtic 4-1 St Mirren ( 5 wins for the Prem, 2 for the second tier 2016: St Mirren 1-2 Partick Thistle, Ross County 1-0 Dunfermline, Dundee 2-1 Falkirk, Rangers 2-1 Kilmarnock, Hibs 1-0 Hearts, Dundee 5-0 Dumbarton, Rangers 4-0 Dundee, Hibs 2-1 ICT, Celtic 3-0 Morton, Hibs beat Dundee Utd on Pens as did Rangers over Celtic ( 5 wins for Premiership, 6 wins for the Championship) 2015: Rangers 3-0 Kilmarnock, Celtic 4-0 Hearts, QOTS 2-0 St Johnstone, ICT 1-0 Raith ( 2 wins each way ) In that time the Premiership clubs have progressed in 21 ties against Championship clubs whereas the lower tier side has won 12. When you consider that half of those 12 wins came when you had Hibs, Hearts and Rangers in the second tier it would indicate that there is quite a gap between the two divisions. #facts I don't think anyone is arguing that the championship is as strong as the premiership as a whole. So, let's exclude those games involving teams that finished in the top 6 that season. 2019: St Mirren 3-2 Alloa, Motherwell 1-2 Ross County, QOTS 3-0 Dundee, St Mirren 1-2 Dundee United (prem 1-3 champ) 2018: QOTS 1-2 Partick Thistle, ICT 0-1 Dundee (2-0) 2017: Ross County 6-2 Dundee Utd, Dundee 0-2 St Mirren, Hamilton beat Dunfermline on pens, Hibs 3-1 Hearts (2-2) 2016: St Mirren 1-2 Partick Thistle, Ross County 1-0 Dunfermline, Dundee 2-1 Falkirk, Rangers 2-1 Kilmarnock, Dundee 5-0 Dumbarton, Rangers 4-0 Dundee, Hibs 2-1 ICT, Hibs beat Dundee Utd on Pens (4-4) 2015: Rangers 3-0 Kilmarnock, ICT 1-0 Raith (1-1) That gives us 10 wins each, which suggests that there is nothing between the lower end of the premiership and the championship. #facts etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I don't think anyone is arguing that the championship is as strong as the premiership as a whole. So, let's exclude those games involving teams that finished in the top 6 that season. 2019: St Mirren 3-2 Alloa, Motherwell 1-2 Ross County, QOTS 3-0 Dundee, St Mirren 1-2 Dundee United (prem 1-3 champ) 2018: QOTS 1-2 Partick Thistle, ICT 0-1 Dundee (2-0) 2017: Ross County 6-2 Dundee Utd, Dundee 0-2 St Mirren, Hamilton beat Dunfermline on pens, Hibs 3-1 Hearts (2-2) 2016: St Mirren 1-2 Partick Thistle, Ross County 1-0 Dunfermline, Dundee 2-1 Falkirk, Rangers 2-1 Kilmarnock, Dundee 5-0 Dumbarton, Rangers 4-0 Dundee, Hibs 2-1 ICT, Hibs beat Dundee Utd on Pens (4-4) 2015: Rangers 3-0 Kilmarnock, ICT 1-0 Raith (1-1) That gives us 10 wins each, which suggests that there is nothing between the lower end of the premiership and the championship. #facts etc etcDon’t think the sheep guy will be impressed with you massaging #facts to suit your agenda mate and just cutting out the top 6 teams. I’ve already said that Dobbie would be good enough to play for the Premiership shite (#W38) but I just don’t buy this illusion that he would be the greatest striker in the history of the top flight either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Who would've thought it; a team from the lower division can win a one-off knockout game. You could knock me down with a feather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fae_the_'briggs Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Dindeleux said: Don’t think the sheep guy will be impressed with you massaging #facts to suit your agenda mate and just cutting out the top 6 teams. I’ve already said that Dobbie would be good enough to play for the Premiership shite (#W38) but I just don’t buy this illusion that he would be the greatest striker in the history of the top flight either. Show me where you can find, on any thread, anyone claiming The Dobmeister would be the greatest striker in the history of the top flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 f**k sake Dindy give it a rest eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dindeleux Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: f**k sake Dindy give it a rest eh? Agreed, my point has been made and accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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