LL Relegation

[Marten]

I think it's fair in principle, generally clubs that resign / get liquidated are considered to have finished bottom, but it doesn't feel right to me to change it during the season.

If the west get into the pyramid now the LL should open up and accept 2 relegation places asap, as that's only fair enough and badly needed for a decent pyramid.

[Burnie_man]

I'm really just meaning that if the sentiment of clubs has been to adjust/correct the rule now, they'd most likely have voted to re-elect in May had it not been adjusted/corrected, so it's largely academic.

More than likely, sadly.

[sureiknow]

2 hours ago, Marten said:

 

 the LL should open up and accept 2 relegation places asap, as that's only fair enough and badly needed for a decent pyramid.

Only if Scottish League 2 did the same maybe. Or even one automatically relegated.

[Burnie_man]

Only if Scottish League 2 did the same maybe. Or even one automatically relegated.

Why? Surely if the LL are looking to encourage the opening up of the system, they set the example. It's easy for them to do.

[sureiknow]

1 minute ago, Burnie_man said:

1 hour ago, sureiknow said:

Only if Scottish League 2 did the same maybe. Or even one automatically relegated.

Why? Surely if the LL are looking to encourage the opening up of the system, they set the example. It's easy for them to do.

Is it not the SFA the ones that are looking that firstly.

Its not a proper Pyramid as things stand say compared to England.

[Burnie_man]

Is it not the SFA the ones that are looking that firstly.
Its not a proper Pyramid as things stand say compared to England.

What I'm saying is the LL should be setting the example to the SPFL on how to treat the feeder league(s) below.

[stanley]

1 hour ago, sureiknow said:

Only if Scottish League 2 did the same maybe. Or even one automatically relegated.

Opening up the LL to more relegation places would make it a stronger league more quickly and would give them more bargaining power in getting an automatic promotion spot to the SPFL.

Seen it posted a few times on here but still don't see why relegation spots from the SPFL has any relevance to relegation spots from the LL.

[FairWeatherFan]

If you want to compare things to England, the National League/Conference/Alliance Premier didn't even have a promotion opportunity for years. It was still down to elections by the Football League. 

Even with no automatic promotion to achieve, they still had multiple relegation spots.

There's no reason now why the Lowland League shouldn't have two relegation spots with a 3rd possible due to the SPFL playoff.

And it's something that will no doubt be discussed amongst the LL2, SJFA and everything else pyramid related that will happen in the next few months.

[Marten]

8 hours ago, stanley said:

Opening up the LL to more relegation places would make it a stronger league more quickly and would give them more bargaining power in getting an automatic promotion spot to the SPFL.

Seen it posted a few times on here but still don't see why relegation spots from the SPFL has any relevance to relegation spots from the LL.

Exactly, the only way to be able to force through automatic relegation from SPFL2 is by having a strong LL underneath it. More relegation will only help. One spot from 16 is just not reasonable, it should be at least 2.

[newcastle broon]

10 hours ago, stanley said:

Opening up the LL to more relegation places would make it a stronger league more quickly and would give them more bargaining power in getting an automatic promotion spot to the SPFL.

Seen it posted a few times on here but still don't see why relegation spots from the SPFL has any relevance to relegation spots from the LL.

 

2 hours ago, Marten said:

Exactly, the only way to be able to force through automatic relegation from SPFL2 is by having a strong LL underneath it. More relegation will only help. One spot from 16 is just not reasonable, it should be at least 2.

Maybes it'll all come good and become relevant once the HFL has maybe even ONE relegation. 

After all BOTH leagues are tier 5 so why should LL clubs vote for even more relegations. 

There's one of Burnieman s self preservations  for a start. 

As much as I want the pyramid to progress it kinda  makes the whole pyramid system a farce  ?

[RampantFM]

I think the problem with 2 automatic relegation places is there isn't enough licensed teams below in the EoS currently. 

Only 6 at the moment as it stands. 

If the majority were licensed then I would agree, but if they opened it up to two and say 1 or both teams were not licensed, would make the whole thing a bit of a farce. 

[RampantFM]

3 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:

 

As much as I want the pyramid to progress it kinda  makes the whole pyramid system a farce  ?

Literally just got in before me. 

[Burnie_man]

2 minutes ago, RampantFM said:

I think the problem with 2 automatic relegation places is there isn't enough licensed teams below in the EoS currently. 

Only 6 at the moment as it stands. 

If the majority were licensed then I would agree, but if they opened it up to two and say 1 or both teams were not licensed, would make the whole thing a bit of a farce. 

It's no different to the current situation where possiblity noboby might be promoted, and we have 17 clubs who are at various stages of the Licence process, so by the end of next season there is a fair chance that over half the EoS Premier will be licenced.

The Highland League situation is a farce, agreed.

[FairWeatherFan]

8 minutes ago, newcastle broon said:

 

Maybes it'll all come good and become relevant once the HFL has maybe even ONE relegation. 

After all BOTH leagues are tier 5 so why should LL clubs vote for even more relegations. 

There's one of Burnieman s self preservations  for a start. 

As much as I want the pyramid to progress it kinda  makes the whole pyramid system a farce  ?

You need a league below the HFL for there to be relegation. Look at most pyramid systems they aren't perfectly balanced all the way down.

[newcastle broon]

5 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:

You need a league below the HFL for there to be relegation. Look at most pyramid systems they aren't perfectly balanced all the way down.

Not disagreeing but we're talking tier 5 here bud,probably around the middle of when it all kicks in. I would expect that a lot further doon the pyramid.

[FairWeatherFan]

1 minute ago, newcastle broon said:

Not disagreeing but we're talking tier 5 here bud,probably around the middle of when it all kicks in. I would expect that a lot further doon the pyramid.

Exactly, it hasn't kicked in yet.

[newcastle broon]

1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Exactly, it hasn't kicked in yet.

Will it ever if there s no relegation from the HFL though. The geographical position of Scotland's towns and city's is making it nigh impossible. We canny even agree a Tayside boundary or even get the west juniors on side here  ?

[FairWeatherFan]

Just now, newcastle broon said:

Will it ever if there s no relegation from the HFL though. The geographical position of Scotland's towns and city's is making it nigh impossible. We canny even agree a Tayside boundary or even get the west juniors on side here  ?

It should do. Even though there's apparent disinterest from the North Region. The majority voted to join the pyramid at the SJFA egm. The NCL also voted to join the pyramid at their agm.

Both set ups should receive some recognition to allow licensing to take place, especially if the West and East Regions enter the pyramid.

With the HFL still saying they are open to applications it'll probably work a little differently than the LL/EoS/SoS relationship we've seen the last 5 years. However, the more licensed clubs the more likely a formal structure will be put in place.

 

 

[Nimmo's Notes]

It's absolutely correct that Selkirk are recognised as finishing 16th. They started the season and therefore should be included in the final table as the last placed club. 

This time last year there weren't so many teams at tier 6, far less, licensed clubs, therefore it was perfectly reasonable to have one up, one down, with the possibility of two being relegated, depending on the circumstances. 

Now that we have a much stronger tier 6, the possibility exists to open up the bottom end of the Lowland League to 2 or 3 promotion/relegation spaces for NEXT season, assuming we're going to have a glut of licenced clubs to come up. 

It's not about self preservation. I realise people can be a bit impatient for change but let's remember, all those new EOS clubs only joined this season! 

The new EOS Premier League is going to be  fantastic, next season and a great league to be relegated into (if that's a thing!). 

[Burnie_man]

2 minutes ago, Nimmo's Notes said:

It's absolutely correct that Selkirk are recognised as finishing 16th. They started the season and therefore should be included in the final table as the last placed club. 

This time last year there weren't so many teams at tier 6, far less, licensed clubs, therefore it was perfectly reasonable to have one up, one down, with the possibility of two being relegated, depending on the circumstances. 

Now that we have a much stronger tier 6, the possibility exists to open up the bottom end of the Lowland League to 2 or 3 promotion/relegation spaces for NEXT season, assuming we're going to have a glut of licenced clubs to come up. 

It's not about self preservation. I realise people can be a bit impatient for change but let's remember, all those new EOS clubs only joined this season! 

The new EOS Premier League is going to be  fantastic, next season and a great league to be relegated into (if that's a thing!). 

Selkirk's playing record was expunged and they were expelled from the league, they don't exist as far as this season is concerned (otherwise they would still be listed in the league table and each unplayed game recorded as a 3-0 loss) and the wording of the rule refers to "bottom club", so it should be whoever finished 15th and "bottom".

If they wanted that rule changed fair enough, the AGM is the time for rule changes, anything else is blatant self preservation! then again as pointed out, the chances are they would have just accepted the relegated club via a new application rather than accept another club from EoS.

It stinks.