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With potentially 17 new clubs from the EoS entering next seasons competition, how do you think the Preliminary rounds will change to accomodate these numbers?  This is how it worked this season;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_Scottish_Cup#Preliminary_rounds

 

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This issue came up in another thread, where the suggestion was to put all Championship clubs in together (round 3). It seems like 24 in the preliminary rounds is the most that can be accommodated. If Bonnyrigg and Linlithgow get promoted, Banks O'Dee win the North Superleague as usual, and Auchinleck don't win both trophies, then there will only be space for five more licensed clubs...

 

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So a rethink will be required on the amount of clubs entering the Preliminary rounds and how that impacts on Round 1 and beyond?

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Ok Craigkillie's post seems a good solution:

What they should do is take away the spots for the top 4 Championship clubs in Round 4, and have a consistent policy of SPFL teams from the same league entering at the same time.  It doesn't make any sense, because the Championship sides with byes are typically without a game anyway.  You could also explore the current situation where the top 2 teams in the Highland League and Lowland League get byes to the 2nd Round - you could reduce that to just the champions, or even get rid of it, though that's probably not necessary right now.

That would free up quite a few spots for the earlier rounds.  Right now there are 16 teams automatically qualified for the 4th Round, which means only 32 teams can compete in the 3rd Round.  If that dropped to 12 teams, then you'd have 20 places up for grabs, and 40 teams competing in the 3rd Round (4 extra spaces plus the 4 Championship teams who have been bumped down).  If my calculations are correct, then that would lead to a scenario where there could be as many as 52 teams instead of 36 in the 1st Round.

R1 - 52 teams (16 Highland League, 14 Lowland League + 22 from Preliminary Round{s})
R2 - 40 teams (10 League Two, 2 Highland League, 2 Lowland League + 26 winners)
R3 - 40 teams (10 Championship, 10 League 1 + 20 winners)
R4 - 32 teams (12 Premiership + 20 winners)

Last season, there were only 15 teams in the Preliminary Rounds, but they were only playing for 6 spaces in the tournament proper.  This small tweak would mean that another 7 members could join without even needing to hold a Preliminary Round.   There would only need to be a negligible change in prize money to make this happen.

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So this is a moving picture obviously with a lot of ifs and buts, but if we consider that all 17 EoS clubs become Licenced, and Linlithgow and Bonnyrigg move upto LL wit one coming down, I reckon somewhere around 35 clubs below the LL/HL inc Junior/Amatuer qualifiers, so it could look something like;

PR - 35 teams (13 ties plus 9 byes to R1)

R1 - 52 teams (16 Highland League, 14 Lowland League, 9 byes + 13 Preliminary Round winners)

R2 - 40 teams (10 League Two, 2 Highland League, 2 Lowland League + 26 winners)

R3 - 40 teams (10 Championship, 10 League One + 20 winners)

R4 - 32 teams (12 Premiership + 20 winners)

 

or if you bring all HL and LL clubs in at R1 and remove the winners and runners-up byes into R2, you can reduce the Prelim Round byes and have;

PR - 35 teams (17 ties plus 1 bye to R1)

R1 - 52 teams (18 Highland League, 16 Lowland League + 1 bye + 17 from Preliminary Round winners)

R2 - 40 teams (10 League Two, + 26 winners)

R3 - 40 teams (10 Championship, 10 League One + 20 winners)

R4 - 32 teams (12 Premiership + 20 winners)

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What's required is all round clarity.

Teams/supporters are being left in the dark.

If the ERSJFA are tier 6 next season some teams may wish to jump back instead of playing tier 7 etc.

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What's required is all round clarity.

Teams/supporters are being left in the dark.

If the ERSJFA are tier 6 next season some teams may wish to jump back instead of playing tier 7 etc.


There's another thread for that.

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2 hours ago, Auld Heid said:

What's required is all round clarity.

Teams/supporters are being left in the dark.

If the ERSJFA are tier 6 next season some teams may wish to jump back instead of playing tier 7 etc.
 

Aye but surely if they jump back they won't be in super league they'd be tier 7. Say Oakley so what's the difference 

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