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Looking at the comments on the Brexit and other threads on newspapers, I'm wondering how many out there in P&B land pick up a daily rag every morning and are influenced by it?

Personally I gave up buying a paper on a daily basis ever since Andrew Neil and Fraser Nelson turned the Scotsman into a far right, Blair/Bush/war in Iraq  supporting pile of shit.

Occasionally, if embarking on a train, or plane journey I'll pick up a Guardian or an Independent to help while away the hours, although to catch up on the latest news I'm quite happy to click on to Sky News on my phone.

So..... What's the newspaper of your choice and why?

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I've long, 20 ,25 years,  done without a daily newspaper.

I do buy the print edition of the Observer on a Sunday.

The Guardian / Observer professes to be for liberal minded people. 

It is though a little too right wing for me, in particular it's readiness to criticise Corbyn.

In general, like much of politics in the UK over the last 30 years that have shifted rightwards, the paper has acquiesced to that.

Away from opinion pieces, I do like the way it works cooperatively with, for example, Channel 4 and CNN to do good proper investigative journalism.

 

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Absolutely not. 

They can all get so far to f**k. They're just hate manuals intercut with celebrity worship to distract you from the atrocities of the government of the day.

Horrible propaganda machines. I haven't bought one since about 2004 and haven't read one since probably just after. I don't read or watch the news at all. It's garbage nonsense. This seems to surprise many folk who ask where I get 'my news' from. Others say I'm ignorant of what's going on.

I reply that I don't care and anything important I'll hear about anyway, usually through social media or on here.

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I avoid all the branch " Scottish" ones although I rarely read them anyway before 2014. Tended to read the Glasgow herald before I retired and liked the football Monday of the Daily record/Sunday Mail but that stopped after the "Vow". My Sunday paper used to move between the Sunday Times/Observer/Sunday Herald for a bit of balance. I now read the National most days (buy) and while I have gone with it on Sunday I don't like the broadsheet lay out.  My views are not created by the paper but I suppose it does tend to reinforce much of what I think. The influence of the MSM on elections is clearly important in framing the "debates" but there are many other sources now compared to my early days in politics of the 70s/80s.

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17 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

I don't read or watch the news at all. It's garbage nonsense. This seems to surprise many folk who ask where I get 'my news' from. Others say I'm ignorant of what's going on.

I reply that I don't care and anything important I'll hear about anyway, usually through social media or on here.

 

Good answer, although I'm not quite sure if you'll be receiving well balanced, fair minded news reporting and coverage  on here!

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25 minutes ago, Chapelhall chap said:

I avoid all the branch " Scottish" ones although I rarely read them anyway before 2014. Tended to read the Glasgow herald before I retired and liked the football Monday of the Daily record/Sunday Mail but that stopped after the "Vow". My Sunday paper used to move between the Sunday Times/Observer/Sunday Herald for a bit of balance. I now read the National most days (buy) and while I have gone with it on Sunday I don't like the broadsheet lay out.  My views are not created by the paper but I suppose it does tend to reinforce much of what I think. The influence of the MSM on elections is clearly important in framing the "debates" but there are many other sources now compared to my early days in politics of the 70s/80s.

The National and balance in the same paragraph :lol:

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Haven't bought a newspaper in years.  The Metro on my way to work is the only newspaper I've read in quite some time.  The occasional glance at their websites or social media is more than enough. 

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Once in a blue moon - more likely to check online - usually around one issue - to see if they are all saying the same thing - and if they have a different perspective on an issue.

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10 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said:

Looking at the comments on the Brexit and other threads on newspapers, I'm wondering how many out there in P&B land pick up a daily rag every morning and are influenced by it?

Personally I gave up buying a paper on a daily basis ever since Andrew Neil and Fraser Nelson turned the Scotsman into a far right, Blair/Bush/war in Iraq  supporting pile of shit.

Occasionally, if embarking on a train, or plane journey I'll pick up a Guardian or an Independent to help while away the hours, although to catch up on the latest news I'm quite happy to click on to Sky News on my phone.

So..... What's the newspaper of your choice and why?

You don't buy The Scostman because it went right wing but you happily use the Sky News app? 

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Honestly I probably buy an actual physical paper maybe 2 or 3 times a year, usually if I'm on a long train ride or the like.

I just find there isn't a paper for me, pretty much because there's always something in the collective offering that is too distasteful for me to part with money for it. Scotsman is on life support and sustained only by the absolute hard core zoomer trolls who comment on all its articles, Herald used to be superb 15 years ago but it's the same now (& holed below the water line after the David Leask revelations), Guardian is OK but veers into self parody too often, National has such lurid front pages it's as embarrassing as walking up to the counter with a porn mag, Courier/P&J are in a better state, Record is OK sometimes, The Times is good for UK coverage but I can't support its Scottish coverage, plus I'm just not giving Murdoch any money. All the rest are too racist/xenophobic/fascist for me to bother listing. I supported the Ferret and CommonSpace for a bit but they only put out 1 or 2 pieces a week so that's not worth it either. The only one I've considered subbing for is the Financial Times because I enjoyed the 4 week sub free trial and the android app is really good, but it's quite expensive and really its coverage is pretty similar to the free Reuters.

I sometimes dip into specific twitter feeds for news but that place is too toxic to devote much time to. The difficulty in the newspaper business model is it's based on my loyalty to one paper, when the internet has let me figure out that actually I tend to value the output of specific journalists across a range of papers that all want my money, but I don't have the money to support all of them. It kind of suggests there's a niche for a generic sub that buys you a certain amount of access so you can read who you want to read across the lot.

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Not for years. Read the guardian and BBC websites daily though which I suppose amounts to the same thing.

The FT is the best paper in Britain - just a shame it's so focused on economic/finance news which isn't relevant to most people. Of the mass market papers, the record is probably the pick of the bunch, if you can look past the questionable politics and lowest common denominator stuff. The National is unfortunately the very definition of a good idea poorly executed. A genuine gap in the market for a quality, mass market pro-independence daily but it has just turned into a newsletter for the die-hards, many of whom I get the impression are buying it at least partly out of loyalty to the idea rather than the quality of the paper.

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Stopped buying national daily papers in the early 90s.  Continued to buy the Sunday Mail and Sunday Post for the football until the internet became a bigger thing.  Depending on where I lived, I would occasionally buy the local papers which may have come out once or twice a week but that was more for local info than any national or international news but have even stopped that now.

Now get most of my news off various internet sites (including P&B) :)  Still despair seeing my parents and in-laws buying the Mail every day though and given my mother's more vocal stance (lecturing us) on politics since 2014, she can no longer kid on that she only buys it for the sudoku and crossword puzzles.

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Usually just tune into Sky News on the daily. Newspapers aren’t about making money though, they’re there to set the terms of debate on public issues. Nick Robinson referring to the Sunday Times’s coverage of trans issues in his interview, I think, with Paris Lees is a good example.

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55 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Usually just tune into Sky News on the daily. Newspapers aren’t about making money though, they’re there to set the terms of debate on public issues. Nick Robinson referring to the Sunday Times’s coverage of trans issues in his interview, I think, with Paris Lees is a good example.

Crucial point this. Broadcast news is notionally required to be neutral in a way that print media is not, yet broadcast media takes its talking point cues almost wholly from print media.

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I buy the Daily Express and Daily Mail and 2 pints of full fat milk every morning ( except Sun ).    They're not perfect newsprint but some of the travel, gardening, health columns are good and I enjoy the editorials.   

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Free guardian app on my phone, and for more left wing stuff I get the odd second hand morning star from my dad.

I flick through all the news channels on a daily basis (with no great allegiance to any of them), and use the BBC news website even though I hate myself for doing so. It's coverage has went downhill ridiculously in the last ten years.

No social media, other than links from here.

All in all, quite happy with my balance of news and information - but I'll have to replace the left wing stuff when my old man goes (he's 80 next year so it's something to think about).

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