BawWatchin Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: This is bonkers. No one on an income of £43K sends their weans to fee-paying schools without help. Can we just draw a line under this? I know people who earn less than half that and have a child in private schooling. Edited December 12, 2018 by BawWatchin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 £43k is not a “huge” salary but it will seem “huge” if you’re earning £23k or less. I’m quite happy with the higher tax differential in Scotland. I’d also like to see Holyrood in charge of other areas of taxation such as corporation taxes where the recent reductions (from which I benefit) are wholly unjustified. I agree with you but that was not the point being made. Regarding the corporation tax reduction, again i agree but, the issue with that is, if there is also a huge difference there then companies may see england as a more lucrative option and thus Scotland would lose out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Aufc said: I agree with you but that was not the point being made. Regarding the corporation tax reduction, again i agree but, the issue with that is, if there is also a huge difference there then companies may see england as a more lucrative option and thus Scotland would lose out. Most companies are small businesses, often in the service sector or tied in to a their locality in some other way. Such businesses could not just move. There is no rational and no need for the latest corporation tax reductions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 7 hours ago, BawWatchin said: I know people who earn less than half that and have a child in private schooling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18May1991 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 7 hours ago, BawWatchin said: I know people who earn less than half that and have a child in private schooling. I’m calling shite here. Unless they have ‘rich’ grandparents or some other means of paying the fees. Even with no mortgage it would be very difficult to live on what’s left after paying the fees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 I know people who earn less than half that and have a child in private schooling.Could be getting fees paid by bursary or by a well off relative or can you say for certain how much it costs them annually to send them there as it sounds dubious to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 £43k seems to be where the magic happens. I wish I felt that buzz of being rich. In reality, just like everyone else, my standard of living has been on a downward spiral since about 2010/2011 when the austerity years started kicking in. No wage rises until this year, actually having to pay a few hundred for a public sector pension, receipts for all T&S (no pockling opportunities). It’s been a while since I looked at the real terms decline in my take home salary but it was around 15% last I looked. It’s good that I can reinvest some of the 2% wage rise I got this year back into the system. My wife is a part-time lecturer at a college and earns a whopping £19k. While I get that everyone is in the same boat and those on less money are really struggling, it worries me that the government, or at least some tubes on here, see me as rich. In general I am less than enamoured with the SNP (and the tubes on here). They have been treading water since 2014. I see first hand just how shite Scottish Goverment Procurement framework contracts are, then there’s Police Scotland and Scotrail. Not enough for me to bin the SNP at the next election, but that’s mainly because I want to support independence and they and the Greens are on that ticket. Also, the others, in Holyrood terms, haven’t come up with anything of interest to sway me. Anyway, as that’s over £60k I am now away to see about putting my 3 kids into private education. I hope the private schools can cope with the influx. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Most companies are small businesses, often in the service sector or tied in to a their locality in some other way. Such businesses could not just move. There is no rational and no need for the latest corporation tax reductions. Correct. However the government will invariably get income (and boost the economy) elsewhere as the owners will either invest the savings or pay themselves/employees more which produces more PAYE etc and it rolls on from there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 17 minutes ago, Aufc said: Correct. However the government will invariably get income (and boost the economy) elsewhere as the owners will either invest the savings or pay themselves/employees more which produces more PAYE etc and it rolls on from there. Or buy more Mercs and have more holidays abroad. That’s just as likely. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aufc Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Or buy more Mercs and have more holidays abroad. That’s just as likely. Speaking from personal experience 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Aufc said: Speaking from personal experience Yip. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new kyd in town Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 https://www.123rf.com/photo_19063109_young-man-sleeping-on-laptop.html?vti=mfkevwkrt2ru3otwln-1-23 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Nobody who earns their money (regardless of how much) see themselves as rich. Whether it's 20k a year, 40k a year, 100k a year..... etc. People always look towards those who they percieve to have more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 It is an observable phenomenon that people who are objectively rich tend not to view themselves as being rich. For one thing you tend to work with and associate with other rich people. Even people pushing into the additional rate will tend to describe themselves as “neither rich nor poor” because of the runaway wealth of those above. A lot will depend upon your outgoings and your priorities. For some reason paying circa £12k per annum on school (unless you’re wanting to send your kids to Fettes or Gordonstoun where it’s more like £25k) for little appreciable benefit in a lot of cases has become the p&b barometer of what makes you rich. In any event, a lot of people who do not describe themselves as rich could probably afford it if they gave up other stuff but they choose not to. White people problems thread for this pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Prospect Union’s take: Prospect national secretary, Richard Hardy said: "Right up until today, we believed that Ministers were serious in the commitments they have given to restore public sector pay. "Far from restoring our members' pay, the approach, when RPI is at 3.3%, sees a further erosion of their living standards. This is contrary to what Mr Mackay and his colleagues told us was their intention. "Far from being 'progressive' as stated in the public sector pay policy, splitting pay awards in this way is simply robbing one set of workers to pay another. "Irrespective of salary, standards of living for all workers are eroded when their baseline award does not keep pace with inflation." Hardy said that Prospect welcomed the introduction of a substantial underpin to address low pay and believes that this is the correct way to address low pay issues rather than tinkering with pay systems. "Setting an arbitrary figure and paying workers above that salary less money is not progressive," added Hardy. "It's actually very insulting to our members who are working hard to deliver the Government's agenda in many key areas. "The way to address income inequality is through taxation. We will be calling for an urgent meeting with Mr Mackay, and with opposition parties to spell out why the Government's approach is mistaken," he concluded. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 hour ago, BawWatchin said: Nobody who earns their money (regardless of how much) see themselves as rich. Whether it's 20k a year, 40k a year, 100k a year..... etc. People always look towards those who they percieve to have more. If the money was piling up in my bank account i’d agree that I was “rich”, but it’s not. I have two cars, both of which are 10+ years old. I have 3 kids to care for. I take 1 holiday a year for 1 week in a cottage somewhere in the U.K. I am not rolling in cash. That’s a couple on combined salary of £60k before tax. I suppose it depends on your definition of rich. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Sturgeon dishing out telts to Tories today which is nice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Nicola doing her Goldilocks impression now on top rate tax. Tells Carlaw that the Tories are wrong to want cuts for higher earners. Tells Leonard that raising tax on higher earners isn't possible. Apparenltly the SNP budget has set top rate tax at a magical, non political, perfect level calculated by the Scottish Fiscal Commission and it's out her hands..... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 15 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: This is mental. A combined income of £60K is ok but isn't a big income. It's about 2.5 times the average wage. What is it you want? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 14 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: This is bonkers. No one on an income of £43K sends their weans to fee-paying schools without help. Pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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