Jacksgranda Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, pandarilla said: An interesting article. My point, is one of unintended consequences. "Events, dear boy", as Churchill once put it... A no deal Brexit would be a massive event, and there's no doubt there would be huge disruption for months (at least). But it's almost impossible to predict how things would play out (Krugman points out the inexact science that economists rely on). The EU itself could crumble (unlikely, but not out of the question). Let's not pretend that they'll not be harmed by this, and plenty of other EU countries have anti EU sentiment. Harold Macmillan, dear boy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 20 minutes ago, Cerberus said: A lot of people on here don't respect the democratic vote. Indeed. Scottish Independence ? Wholeheartedly respected. Leaving the EU? Wholeheartedly despised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 A lot of people on here don't respect the democratic vote. 1. The vote wasn’t on the level. 2. Even if it were, it’s plain the government is unable to provide the desired outcome of that (advisory, non binding) referendum. 3. In democracies, you get the opportunity to make up for egregious mistakes. 4. A second referendum could be reworded to “rejoin the EU”. Different time, different issue. Edit: on a wider point, I think Trump’s proven to be far worse than folk feared. Mulligans would be widely accepted on that one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: 1. The vote wasn’t on the level. Why? Was "Should Scotland be an independent country?" too taxing a question for The Scotch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Harold Macmillan, dear boy...I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 minute ago, pandarilla said: 20 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Harold Macmillan, dear boy... I stand corrected. Actually, according to Wiki quotes he probably didn't say it, so you were equally correct with Winston Churchill not saying it, either. I have only ever seen it attributed to Macmillan, all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnHearts Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Liberalism is an illness. Take that to the (non-British owned) bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 May’s proposal is absolutely awful; just terrible. However it’s better than No Deal. Hopefully the overwhelming majority of people will realise these are not the only two options. It's a choice like getting your gonads chopped off with a cleaver or bitten off by a rottweiler - neither "choice" is very appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Are we out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Are we out yet? We get a second chance through the Disunited Nations League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said: Why? Was "Should Scotland be an independent country?" too taxing a question for The Scotch? Maybe that's because "Scotch" is something you drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Just now, ICTJohnboy said: Maybe that's because "Scotch" is something you drink. Not like you to react to my mention of 'Scotch', bud. How is Mr Pavlov? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 hours ago, pandarilla said: 2 hours ago, Fullerene said: That is like Captain Smith of Titanic saying "we are not going to hit an iceberg today because we didn't hit one yesterday." Fucking hell that is one horrendous analogy. People predicted disaster if we voted Brexit. Some predicted this would happen on the day after the vote - and they were wrong. Does that mean disaster is averted or simply delayed. Tell you what. Rent a small plane and try to fly it to New Zealand. Get somebody to predict you will run out of fuel shortly after take off. If they are wrong, you'll be fine and you'll make it all the way to New Zealand - or maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 People predicted disaster if we voted Brexit. Some predicted this would happen on the day after the vote - and they were wrong. Does that mean disaster is averted or simply delayed. Tell you what. Rent a small plane and try to fly it to New Zealand. Get somebody to predict you will run out of fuel shortly after take off. If they are wrong, you'll be fine and you'll make it all the way to New Zealand - or maybe not.You have to stop trying to force analogies. Your first paragraph is one I completely agree with. The fact it didn't completely collapse after the vote does not mean it won't happen after Brexit. But it does show that the predictors of catastrophe are not always right. Economics and politics are particularly difficult to predict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, pandarilla said: You have to stop trying to force analogies. Your first paragraph is one I completely agree with. The fact it didn't completely collapse after the vote does not mean it won't happen after Brexit. But it does show that the predictors of catastrophe are not always right. Economics and politics are particularly difficult to predict. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, pandarilla said: You have to stop trying to force analogies. Your first paragraph is one I completely agree with. The fact it didn't completely collapse after the vote does not mean it won't happen after Brexit. But it does show that the predictors of catastrophe are not always right.Economics and politics are particularly difficult to predict. And as for political economics - sheeesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, pandarilla said: You have to stop trying to force analogies. Your first paragraph is one I completely agree with. The fact it didn't completely collapse after the vote does not mean it won't happen after Brexit. But it does show that the predictors of catastrophe are not always right. Economics and politics are particularly difficult to predict. It doesn't help that when economists are asked what might happen they model many various scenarios but only the very worst or best outcome is ever reported. Because the B of E's worst possible model didn't happen doesn't mean their work was faulty or biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, Fullerene said: People predicted disaster if we voted Brexit. Some predicted this would happen on the day after the vote - and they were wrong. Does that mean disaster is averted or simply delayed. Tell you what. Rent a small plane and try to fly it to New Zealand. Get somebody to predict you will run out of fuel shortly after take off. If they are wrong, you'll be fine and you'll make it all the way to New Zealand - or maybe not. It's not that black and white though. You could do a deal for fuel and get enough to get you to Indonesia - but you won't get that fuel if you insist on wanting more. Indonesia is f**k all use to you but it's not the UK and whilst it's chalk and cheese with NZ it'll have to do as it's all you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sureiknow Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Whatever the outcome in Parliament, May must resign. She has made the biggest bollax of this. Surrendered to the EU. At least Cameron did the decent thing and went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefan27 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, LincolnHearts said: Liberalism is an illness. Take that to the (non-British owned) bank. Absolutely correct, my good sir. The only viable way forward is to abolish the capitalist system completely, none of this wishy-washy "mixed economy" nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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