Fullerene Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 So the government are not willing to show their hand and are perfectly happy to walk away with no deal. "No deal is better than a bad deal"! However while they are not willing to tell the EU, they are willing to tell me. Apparently "no deal" is unlikely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamski Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: There is a box to check for that when setting up a poll. Adamski may have thought some would be reluctant to reveal themselves as Leave voters. Aye, basically this. More chance of it giving a true reflection of people's views if they can click on the poll without being challenged on their selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 "No deal is better than a bad deal" is vacuous pish - typical of what May and her colleagues have come out with over the last 2+ years. She's telling us this thing she has negotiated is the best the UK can get but it is going to be leathered on Tuesday. I'd love her to define what she sees as a bad deal - you know, one that would make No Deal preferable. Full. Of. Shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Just had to put down the phone, get my lazy arse upstairs to the office and log on to the desktop site to vote. Is this: 1. A PTTGOMN, or 2. A First World Problem? Could somebody set up a poll, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 This does show how unrepresentative of the general population the P&B politics section is and why it can seem like an echo chamber in here sometimes. Even in Scotland, the leave vote was about 40%. If you don't actually have a conversation with the 40% and simply call them morons for daring to have a different opinion to you then you shut down the debate and convince yourself that remain has a larger support than is the reality. I voted leave last time because I would ultimately prefer an independent Scotland outside of the EU with it's own currency but with a large degree of freedom of movement. Much like Norway. I would probably vote remain next time because I simply don't see my preference being an option on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Parr Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Voted remain last time, would vote spoil next time. Referendums are the easy way out for craven politicians. We shouldn't indulge them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 30 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: This does show how unrepresentative of the general population the P&B politics section is and why it can seem like an echo chamber in here sometimes. Even in Scotland, the leave vote was about 40%. If you don't actually have a conversation with the 40% and simply call them morons for daring to have a different opinion to you then you shut down the debate and convince yourself that remain has a larger support than is the reality. I voted leave last time because I would ultimately prefer an independent Scotland outside of the EU with it's own currency but with a large degree of freedom of movement. Much like Norway. I would probably vote remain next time because I simply don't see my preference being an option on the table. Your political insight is unfathomable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, HTG said: "No deal is better than a bad deal" is vacuous pish - typical of what May and her colleagues have come out with over the last 2+ years. She's telling us this thing she has negotiated is the best the UK can get but it is going to be leathered on Tuesday. I'd love her to define what she sees as a bad deal - you know, one that would make No Deal preferable. Full. Of. Shite. Yup. Leave is a busted flush, whichever way you dress it. I don't know how you'd dress a flush - maybe with some nice paint? - but still. May's deal is catastrophic and No Deal is even more retrograde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I don't like the way this thread poll is going, I demand a re-run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 If Scotland votes to leave the UK do we get a second vote on the terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 33 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Your political insight is unfathomable. As is your sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, kirkyblue2 said: If Scotland votes to leave the UK do we get a second vote on the terms? Only if you want to negotiate what level of charity we should show them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 The Lib Dems have Lib Dem'd it - put in an amendment o the withdrawal bill for a people's vote, which probably wont get support from enough Labour MPs and could kill the idea stone dead. Honestly, why wont the Lib Dems just f**k off? 51 minutes ago, Consolidate said: Voted remain last time, would vote spoil next time. Referendums are the easy way out for craven politicians. We shouldn't indulge them. Unless you live near your polling station, that seems a tremendous waste of time. Would you not be as well just no showing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: I don't like the way this thread poll is going, I demand a re-run. It’s the will of the people* *Conditions apply. Some may not be actual human people, see OF* supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: It’s the will of the people* *Conditions apply. Some peoples' will is more important than others may not be actual human people, see OF* supporters. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardinal Richelieu Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: Just had to put down the phone, get my lazy arse upstairs to the office and log on to the desktop site to vote. Is this: 1. A PTTGOMN, or 2. A First World Problem? Could somebody set up a poll, please? Is your inbox full WRK? Just tried to send you a PM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Kyle said: If I was Brexiteer I'd be advocating a no deal over the half baked pish May has come back with. I don't agree with them but I can see why they think this deal is a 'betrayal'. May’s proposal is absolutely awful; just terrible. However it’s better than No Deal. Hopefully the overwhelming majority of people will realise these are not the only two options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Just now, Granny Danger said: May’s proposal is absolutely awful; just terrible. However it’s better than No Deal. Hopefully the overwhelming majority of people will realise these are not the only two options. I agree completely but I think we're of a similar mind. If you are a Brexit voter and you look at what May's deal locks us into, I reckon you'd be naturally very angry. I'd rather we remain or go for as soft a brexit as possible but plenty out there want a clean break and May hasn't delivered that or a soft brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 31 minutes ago, Kyle said: I agree completely but I think we're of a similar mind. If you are a Brexit voter and you look at what May's deal locks us into, I reckon you'd be naturally very angry. I'd rather we remain or go for as soft a brexit as possible but plenty out there want a clean break and May hasn't delivered that or a soft brexit. Totally agree, but unless you are a Mogg or Johnson who will make money from a No Deal Brexit then you would be crazy to vote for it. Nonetheless I get your point about folkdoing it through frustration but it will be self harming. FWIW it’s the one result I do not think will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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