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I get that rules are rules and all that, but the punishment here just seems really disproportionate to another driver basically wiping out a quarter of the grid.

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Harsh because the team found that there was enough fuel in the tank, only the pump for the supply was faulty.

However I think the team messed up, as they were aware of the pump going by these comments below so maybe should have managed Vettel better.  I suppose they were nervous about Hamilton closing in at a rate of knots though.

"We still have 1.74 litres of petrol in the tank," he says to Motorsport-Magazin.com after he visited the race control. According to the German magazine, Szafnauer looks calm and confident. "There's just a problem with the pump for the supply, that's why we had to park the car."

Aston Martin goes by its own data

The FIA may have found only 0.3 litres, but Szafnauer still assumes their own calculations are correct. "We know how much fuel we put in. We know exactly how much we used through the fuel supply sensors. Since we have to declare the starting amount, we can prove it that way."

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57 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Seems daft, they got a third of a litre which must be enough to determine if they'd spiked the fuel with something illegal. Are they not allowed to cross the line on fumes anymore? Killing the fun.

Back in the day, drivers would get out and push their cars across the finishing line.

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5 hours ago, Boo Khaki said:

Well that's the big question really. Hamilton's entire career is full on instances where he has deferred strategy to the team, it's cost him, and he's spent the entire race whining down the radio at them. Begs the question why he isn't taking the decisions for himself.

Because you can't possibly as much information in the car as the room full of strategists do with their screens and computers.

He vents a lot during the race but I find the extent to which that's held against him over the top. It's just as well there's nobody broadcasting what I say when I'm driving.

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2 minutes ago, The Golden God said:

Hamilton is the luckiest c**t on earth.

I don't understand this.

He avoided the crash on the first corner because he was fastest in qualifying and then got off the start well. That's not luck. They made the wrong call on tyres and he had to fight his way from the back. That wasn't luck either. It wasn't luck that Mercedes undercut Verstappen and Ricciardo, or that Alonso locked up to give him the chance to pass.

He grew up working class and is racing against guys that were brought up by billionaires. Lance Stroll is luckier. Wouldn't you say Hamilton and his family have earned what they've got?

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3 minutes ago, GordonS said:

Because you can't possibly as much information in the car as the room full of strategists do with their screens and computers.

He vents a lot during the race but I find the extent to which that's held against him over the top. It's just as well there's nobody broadcasting what I say when I'm driving.

Yes he does, otherwise there would be no point in having drivers.

3 minutes ago, GordonS said:

I don't understand this.

He avoided the crash on the first corner because he was fastest in qualifying and then got off the start well. That's not luck. They made the wrong call on tyres and he had to fight his way from the back. That wasn't luck either. It wasn't luck that Mercedes undercut Verstappen and Ricciardo, or that Alonso locked up to give him the chance to pass.

He grew up working class and is racing against guys that were brought up by billionaires. Lance Stroll is luckier. Wouldn't you say Hamilton and his family have earned what they've got?

You think Hamilton got into F1 with his own money?

I always thought he was part of the McLaren young driver program that invested in young talent, so his background made no difference once he was on the program.

Karting is expensive so his family would have had to have money to pay for all this.

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I always thought that rule only came into effect in qualifying. I remember Hamilton taking pole once (Barcelona  2012?) but running out of fuel on the slow down lap, then being disqualified and starting the race at the back.


The fueling rules seem to change every couple of years.
I think Hamilton & Alonso's issues in 2007 might have been started by the refueling rules. The cars had their race fuel pumped in pre-qualifying at that point. Hamilton and his engineers decided to go against the team agreement of allowing Alonso to leave the pits first in quali so he could burn more fuel. A few minutes later Alonso goes for a snooze in the pits whilst they're both queuing for tyres and the rest is history...
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Hamilton with long covid or playing mind games with Verstappen and Red Bull?

On the subject of Red Bull, I take it Verstappen was using the engine he was using at the start of the season as the second one was damaged at Silverstone? Reading earlier that Perez might be in the same boat after today.  Mercedes almost OF like in their sabotage of the competition. No one like the big team going in with the studs showing when they are on the rocks.

Both titles could be decided on who's 3 engines last longest.

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The body language here, like a pupil that's been called to the Headmaster's office, ''what have I done now???''

They bloody enjoyed that to much.

 

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20 hours ago, IainMorton said:

Vettel called to the stewards for his “rainbow” tshirt pre race.

The Sky interview where Lazenby talks to Vettel about this is cringeworthy. Vettel asks his option and Lazenby gets tongue twisted and says he's not a steward. At least Rosberg took the question and said it was ridiculous. 

 

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This season is reminding me a little of 2008. Felipe Massa should have won that title but he had the most atrocious luck, especially at pitstops. Couldn't refuel in Canada, so lost time. Engine blew with 3 laps to go at Hungary. Was sent back on track after his pit stop with the hose still attached to his car, and had to retire, in Singapore. Considering he lost the title by a single point, any one of these could have swung it his way. The Ferrari was clearly the better car. 

Looking similar this year. The Red Bull has the edge in race trim, but luck has been against Verstappen in the last couple of races.

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20 hours ago, Snafu said:

Yes he does, otherwise there would be no point in having drivers.

You think Hamilton got into F1 with his own money?

I always thought he was part of the McLaren young driver program that invested in young talent, so his background made no difference once he was on the program.

Karting is expensive so his family would have had to have money to pay for all this.

It was a big deal when he got into F1 initially, that his dad worked 2 jobs to pay for it.

I'm not a Hamilton fan, at all, but he didn't have the luxuries of Stroll/Mazepin/Norris/Latifi and yes, Verstappen (who I go off more every race)

He did get picked up by McLaren in karting if I remember, but they're not going down the local track and picking up whoever wins a heat, you're having to consistently one of the top in the country. Wasn't it at the Autosport awards when he was getting an award or something that he met Ron Dennis?

 

I think I remember from beyond the grid, that Ocon's dad owned a garage or something? So didn't have the initial backing either.

 

Also, as much of a haddie as Bottas is.....what a race he gave us!

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