parsforlife Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said: wut. Hamilton was moving inside the car and even trying to reverse it out of the gravel (while Verstappen was still getting out of his car, as well). Aye, I did have personal concern for Hamilton when it took so long for him to get out, but when it turns out he was trying to get racing f**k him. I think Max had an idea that was going on, I think that was an element why he walked behind Hamilton’s car initially. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, sophia said: Well, that's just ridiculous. It's as relevant as "if there was a wall" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said: Minter. 2 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: It's as relevant as "if there was a wall" I have no idea as to why you are both being so confrontational so I shall leave you to your views -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 1 minute ago, sophia said: I have no idea as to why you are both being so confrontational so I shall leave you to your views Come into the thread, talk shite, can't back it up, runs away. That about the extent of it, aye? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, sophia said: I have no idea as to why you are both being so confrontational so I shall leave you to your views There is something quite off about this and other posts that I feel very uncomfortable with 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 Surprised by the decision to put the fault on Verstappen but I think it is the right call. He was clearly behind going into the corner and was relying on Hamilton giving him room to pass. Now if they could retroactively change all the horrible decisions from the last couple of years and stop guys going for passes when there is no room off the racing line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy boo Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 It's as relevant as "if there was a wall"Exactly...a wall...[emoji85] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainMorton Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) It’s frustrating that things like this can’t be called a racing incident any more and someone has to be penalised. I think both drivers were at fault, Lewis for not giving enough space and Max for not taking avoiding action like Lewis did on lap 1. We should just be glad that the halo did it’s job and there were no serious injuries. Edited September 13, 2021 by IainMorton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afc_36_0 Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 It’s frustrating that things like this can’t be called a racing incident any more and someone has to be penalised. I think both drivers were at fault, Lewis for not giving enough space and Max for not taking avoiding action like Lewis did on lap 1. We should just be glad that the halo did it’s job and there were no serious injuries.Thats life in general, no such thing as an accident anymore. Has to be someone to blame/someone’s fault 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 12 hours ago, Mark Connolly said: Why did Hamilton go so far across when he came out of the pits? Because he'd never make the corner if he came straight at it, and there was plenty space for him to do it. Bizarre point from you here. I don't like the penalty, it should be a racing incident under the current rules. I also don't like the current regs, though. If a driver goes in to a corner ahead then they should have the right to the apex, IMO. At no point was Max ahead (to use Mr Horner's established argument, although I'm sure he'll have seen this one differently), and so he should have backed out of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 31 minutes ago, die hard doonhamer said: Because he'd never make the corner if he came straight at it, and there was plenty space for him to do it. Bizarre point from you here. I don't like the penalty, it should be a racing incident under the current rules. I also don't like the current regs, though. If a driver goes in to a corner ahead then they should have the right to the apex, IMO. At no point was Max ahead (to use Mr Horner's established argument, although I'm sure he'll have seen this one differently), and so he should have backed out of it. He’s coming out of the pit lane and moves straight across in front of Verstappen. Fair enough, he wouldn’t have made the corner on the line he was on, but Max had to take evasive action in order not to run into the back of him. Now it may well be that the stewards decided Max should have expected this and backed off earlier, but it was a really borderline move from Lewis. When you look closer at the video you can also see one of the marshals waving a blue flag, presumably a warning to one of them that there is a faster car on track? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard doonhamer Posted September 13, 2021 Author Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Mark Connolly said: He’s coming out of the pit lane and moves straight across in front of Verstappen. Fair enough, he wouldn’t have made the corner on the line he was on, but Max had to take evasive action in order not to run into the back of him. Now it may well be that the stewards decided Max should have expected this and backed off earlier, but it was a really borderline move from Lewis. When you look closer at the video you can also see one of the marshals waving a blue flag, presumably a warning to one of them that there is a faster car on track? Lewis is allowed to make a move to defend the corner, there is nothing even remotely borderline about what he does coming out of the pits. It's a genuinely bizarre argument that you are running with here. Blue flags are shown to cars exiting the pits that a car is approaching, so at least you've got that bit right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 If Norris hadn't been given that ludicrous penalty in Austria, then F1 would have been able to get away without dishing out the equally harsh penalties for the Silverstone and Monza crashes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscot Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I'm not bothered with the penalty for Max. Thought Lewis deserved the penalty for Silverstone and this one Max was more at fault, although I felt this was a racing incident. I kind of agreed with Massa's comments on the incident. Lewis should probably have shut the door earlier and run Max wider, similar to Lap 1. Leaving the half a space was risking this happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Was always going to be a good track for McLaren anyway but their pace was so good they might have taken the win even without the crash, especially with the pit mistakes from RB and Merc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Surprised by the decision to put the fault on Verstappen but I think it is the right call. He was clearly behind going into the corner and was relying on Hamilton giving him room to pass. Now if they could retroactively change all the horrible decisions from the last couple of years and stop guys going for passes when there is no room off the racing line. Nope. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 3 hours ago, virginton said: Nope. I'm all for crashing into each other but no fucking whining when the guy in front runs you off the road. For instance the stewards should have told Vettel to gtf when his wheel touched Stroll's (?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: I'm all for crashing into each other but no fucking whining when the guy in front runs you off the road. For instance the stewards should have told Vettel to gtf when his wheel touched Stroll's (?) What are you on about? It was Ocon who just wandered over to the side of the track that Vettel was occupying, what is Vettel meant to do? Stroll pushed Vettel wide at the Lesmos on lap 1 I think, which was just weird as he lost 3-4 places because of it. Edited September 13, 2021 by Mr. Brightside 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Mazepin is now below a one-armed old man who has driven in two races this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Just now, Sherrif John Bunnell said: Mazepin is now below a one-armed old man who has driven in two races this season. Would he have had a race ban if the penalty points from F2 carried over to F1 (like they should)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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