Ranaldo Bairn Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, the west curve said: A bad idea and even worse it colt teams are to be included. Quite right. Quote We already have too many clubs in senior football without adding to them. Bollox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the west curve Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: The clubs proposed for League Three are already in senior football. Who are they? Who are the colt teams? When I say senior football I refer to the 42 league clubs. To add to them would mean less revenue for those 42 as the new league would require funding from the TV and sponsorship pots. I don’t think clubs in the lower leagues that are struggling now would vote to give some of their cash up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, the west curve said: Who are they? Who are the colt teams? When I say senior football I refer to the 42 league clubs. To add to them would mean less revenue for those 42 as the new league would require funding from the TV and sponsorship pots. I don’t think clubs in the lower leagues that are struggling now would vote to give some of their cash up. You should have said national, then. The proposal is 4 Highland League + 4 Lowland League teams. Those leagues are senior leagues. I'm not sure if "colt" teams are senior or not, but as they are part of the structure of a senior club, they may very well be classed as "senior". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 As I and many others have said, the change needs to be that bottom of League 2 is relegated automatically. Winners of the Highland and Lowland League play each other in a one off game (neutral venue, gate money split 50/50). Winner get promoted. Losers then play 9th in League 2 for a place in League 2 (one off game at a neutral venue again, with gate money 50/50 again). They don't have to be big venues obviously. Station Park for example would be good and would provide plenty of space and is easy to split if segregation was needed. There are loads of such grounds that could be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Every single international break this seems to come up. They just won't take the hint will they? Colt teams would end my interest in Scottish league football. Seriously. I want to see us playing competitive games, not training matches against a bunch of young jobbers who'll more than likely end up playing for Dumbarton in five years time. Would anyone on here seriously like to suggest that James Forrest would've been better on Saturday night if he'd spent his formative years playing against Kelty Hearts, Cove Rangers and BSC Glasgow instead of in Celtic's first-team? If anybody thinks that this is for any reason other than to get an extra X number of Old Firm games a season then they're horribly deluded. The Challenge Cup is a trojan horse, and I hope all 1,000 odd Motherwell and County fans who turned up on Saturday will continue to do so when they have their best young players hoarded by Rangers and Celtic 'Colts' playing in front of 70 people. BuT geRMANIA Do IT ANd THY r amaZING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: As I and many others have said, the change needs to be that bottom of League 2 is relegated automatically. Winners of the Highland and Lowland League play each other in a one off game (neutral venue, gate money split 50/50). Winner get promoted. Losers then play 9th in League 2 for a place in League 2 (one off game at a neutral venue again, with gate money 50/50 again). They don't have to be big venues obviously. Station Park for example would be good and would provide plenty of space and is easy to split if segregation was needed. There are loads of such grounds that could be used. Their main goal isn't to provide an easier path for Highland/Lowland league teams, that is merely the sweetener to get colt teams up and running. That is the main priority so what you've suggested simply won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSP Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 I'm opening myself up to a shit ton of abuse and red stickies here, but here goes... I don't have any opinion either way about the colts, because I don't really know enough about how they are supposed to be a benefit. But clearly loads of folk on here are strongly against, although I don't know the main reasons why? Can folk enlighten me to the main reasons why they are the spawn of Satan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Nobody is against colt teams, they just don't want them in the SPFL structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the west curve Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Ranaldo Bairn said: Quite right. Bollox. Kick about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, OSP said: I'm opening myself up to a shit ton of abuse and red stickies here, but here goes... I don't have any opinion either way about the colts, because I don't really know enough about how they are supposed to be a benefit. But clearly loads of folk on here are strongly against, although I don't know the main reasons why? Can folk enlighten me to the main reasons why they are the spawn of Satan? I would say several reasons but off the top of my head I'd say: - It devalues and is a bit disrespectful to the lower leagues involved. These are professional competitive leagues, they shouldn't be used as simply a vehicle for the big clubs to develop their younger players. I presume this 'league 3' option is seen as an alternative to devaluing the existing league two, however. - It gives a select few clubs, who already have significant advantages in resources, an advantage in picking up the best young players in the country. There will be plenty more reasons too I'd guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 24 minutes ago, Ross Forbes said: Every single international break this seems to come up. They just won't take the hint will they? Colt teams would end my interest in Scottish league football. Seriously. I want to see us playing competitive games, not training matches against a bunch of young jobbers who'll more than likely end up playing for Dumbarton in five years time. Would anyone on here seriously like to suggest that James Forrest would've been better on Saturday night if he'd spent his formative years playing against Kelty Hearts, Cove Rangers and BSC Glasgow instead of in Celtic's first-team? If anybody thinks that this is for any reason other than to get an extra X number of Old Firm games a season then they're horribly deluded. The Challenge Cup is a trojan horse, and I hope all 1,000 odd Motherwell and County fans who turned up on Saturday will continue to do so when they have their best young players hoarded by Rangers and Celtic 'Colts' playing in front of 70 people. BuT geRMANIA Do IT ANd THY r amaZING Of the 8 World Cup quarter final nations this year, only France have 'B' teams, and they are reserve teams and play in the 5th tier. 17 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Their main goal isn't to provide an easier path for Highland/Lowland league teams, that is merely the sweetener to get colt teams up and running. That is the main priority so what you've suggested simply won't happen. Aye true but we can hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Stick your fucking Colts up your arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSP Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said: - It devalues and is a bit disrespectful to the lower leagues involved. These are professional competitive leagues, they shouldn't be used as simply a vehicle for the big clubs to develop their younger players. I presume this 'league 3' option is seen as an alternative to devaluing the existing league two, however. That's the main bit I get actually. If anyone wants a Colt team, they should be made to start from the bottom of the pyramid just like anyone else. But I don't think people would be happy with even that setup. 1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said: - It gives a select few clubs, who already have significant advantages in resources, an advantage in picking up the best young players in the country. Isn't that what happens already? Surely the reasons other clubs use to convince youngsters to join would still be the same - i.e. the likes of Hamilton being able to show a clear pathway to the 1st team if good enough. As I said, I don't sit one way or the other just now. Just trying to understand more of the reasons most have against them to see if I'm clearly missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the west curve Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Germany are talking about getting rid of all the colt teams as they are only holding back other smaller clubs from entering the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Vojáček Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Of the 8 World Cup quarter final nations this year, only France have 'B' teams, and they are reserve teams and play in the 5th tier. Don't let facts get in the way of a good '!!BUT GERMANY WOOD BEET SCOTLAND !' Facebook post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, OSP said: Isn't that what happens already? Surely the reasons other clubs use to convince youngsters to join would still be the same - i.e. the likes of Hamilton being able to show a clear pathway to the 1st team if good enough. A clear pathway to the first team is currently Hamilton's best way of persuading a youngster to join them instead of one of the OF. That could change if the OF suddenly have the element of regular first team football in the lower leagues through a colt team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSP Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said: A clear pathway to the first team is currently Hamilton's best way of persuading a youngster to join them instead of one of the OF. That could change if the OF suddenly have the element of regular first team football in the lower leagues through a colt team. I don't buy that one at all though. No one signs for Celtic or Rangers on the basis that they hopefully might be sent out on loan to Albion Rovers for 6 months. That's not much difference to the Colts proposal. (Although I would prefer Celtic for example did that a lot more than they currently do.) There's lots of crap reasons youngsters sign with them, but that's not one of them. (Their parents pressuring into being one of the worst/most common I've seen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 On 18/11/2018 at 13:54, Frank Grimes said: Thoughts? I would STRONGLY ADVISE these before starting a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Sounds shite, put Killie in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coooombe Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, itzdrk said: Sounds shite, put Killie in it. Killie colts running rings around Ayr United in the lower leagues does sound quite appealing tbqh. I think I'm now in favour of this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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