new kyd in town Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 On 09/11/2018 at 11:33, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Is there an actual need for this? On 09/11/2018 at 11:47, AsimButtHitsASix said: Yes You think a study by TIE is enough to base a policy on? This will be thrown out by UN laws. The problem with promoting a particular view or giving a right to someone is you invariably take a right away from another or discriminate against others 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, new kyd in town said: You think a study by TIE is enough to base a policy on? This will be thrown out by UN laws. The problem with promoting a particular view or giving a right to someone is you invariably take a right away from another or discriminate against others No. I don't think a single study by TIE is enough to base a policy on. I think the overwhelming number of studies (click to peruse a small sample of them at your leisure) that show that homophobic/transphobic abuse and bullying is rife and leads to the poor mental welfare for a large number of people in Scotland, and the wider world, and the disproportionately higher number of suicides and attempted suicides within these communities is enough to base a policy on. Don't you? And what UN laws will throw this policy out? Be very specific. And what rights does this take away from anyone and in what way does it discriminate against any others? Interested to hear your thoughts. Edited November 12, 2018 by AsimButtHitsASix 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 I'm surprised to hear there are a finite number of rights to go around and that it's all a balancing act. Rather than trying to actually progress and improve irrespective based on empirical evidence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Jeek said: Bloody gays taking away Christmas!!!!! well - they did all wear dresses in them there biblical times - and if not that, then all that roman gladiator leather strap stuff more like they're reclaiming it, rather than taking it away putting the mince in to mince pies IMO... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: It's a shame there's not another Keith O'Brian figure making a fuss about this who can go on to become spectacularly hoisted by their own petard. That was fucking glorious. Any senior member of the Catholic Church claiming this is going to teach young boys about homosexual sexual practises has a right fucking brass neck on them after they've been illicitly at it for centuries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 20 hours ago, welshbairn said: You must be absolutely gorgeous! He is. If you fancy Simon Murray. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 So many bitter militant lefties in the modern world. They scream out for freedom of speech, then attack anyone who doesn't fall into their narrow minded communist bubble. It's all about "their" freedom of speech and nobody elses. How pathetically sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, BawWatchin said: So many bitter militant lefties in the modern world. They scream out for freedom of speech, then attack anyone who doesn't fall into their narrow minded communist bubble. It's all about "their" freedom of speech and nobody elses. How pathetically sad. I’m a leftie and I don’t cry out for freedom of speech. Who exactly is doing this? Generally I see the ignorant cries for freedom of speech being made by gammony morons who really just want to spout shite without challenge. Reasonable people know that we do not and have never had freedom of speech. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, Antlion said: I’m a leftie and I don’t cry out for freedom of speech. Who exactly is doing this? Generally I see the ignorant cries for freedom of speech being made by gammony morons who really just want to spout shite without challenge. Reasonable people know that we do not and have never had freedom of speech. The militant lefties don't challenge alternative views. They just shout "bigot", "racist", "facsist", "homophobe"..... etc. The agenda isn't to challenge alternative views, it's to shut them up without any meaningful debate. Even this very thread shows that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: The militant lefties don't challenge alternative views. They just shout "bigot", "racist", "facsist", "homophobe"..... etc. The agenda isn't to challenge alternative views, it's to shut them up without any meaningful debate. Even this very thread shows that. Can you explain what the 'alternative view' is, to helping Scotland's youth understand that prejudice based on sexuality isn't right ? I'd be fascinated to know the answer to that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: The militant lefties don't challenge alternative views. They just shout "bigot", "racist", "facsist", "homophobe"..... etc. The agenda isn't to challenge alternative views, it's to shut them up without any meaningful debate. Even this very thread shows that. I’m pretty sure it’s their right to call people out as “bigots” and “homophobes” as much as it’s the right of the people they call out to come back with “militant lefties”. As for meaningful debate, I’m not sure how this subject even warrants it. If someone wants to introduce a subject worthy of debate around kids being taught about how folk live and love in the country, I’m all ears - but I’ve seen no evidence of one. What exactly is meant to be getting debated here? Edited November 12, 2018 by Antlion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Antlion said: What exactly is meant to be getting debated here? Communist, tree-hugging, liberal pinkos making kids gay. Apparently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: Can you explain what the 'alternative view' is, to helping Scotland's youth understand that prejudice based on sexuality isn't right ? I'd be fascinated to know the answer to that. When you start getting in peoples faces about about prejudices, you start marginalizing them. People have a right to be prejudice, whether you agree with them or not. Everybody has their own prejudices against something. If prejudices didn't exist, we would all share the same views about everything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 (edited) BawWatching thinks "lefties" don't challenge alternative views but, when an alternative view, like his badly disguised homophobia, is challenged he gets upset that people are challenging his alternative views and we should just let people have alternative views because it's more interesting. Minter as f**k Edited November 12, 2018 by AsimButtHitsASix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Teaching kids about this isn't shutting anyone up, rather phasing out grown adults with unwaivering prejudice who are going to be unaffected anyway. And, having previously taught in an all-boys Catholic school in London, I'd welcome this sort of education given the issues a couple of boys went through coming to terms with their sexuality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Antlion said: I’m pretty sure it’s their right to call people out as “bigots” and “homophobes” as much as it’s the right of the people they call out to come back with “militant lefties”. As for meaningful debate, I’m not sure how this subject even warrants it. If someone wants to introduce a subject worthy of debate around kids being taught about how folk live and love in the country, I’m all ears - but I’ve seen no evidence of one. What exactly is meant to be getting debated here? It may be their right, but it's still just their opinion. Just because you call someone a bigot or a homophobe, doesn't mean everybody else is going to think that person is as well. Take Trump for example, clearly different people see a different person based on their own personal perspective. If you're going to preach individuality, then at the very least support an individuals rights to disagree with you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: BawWatching thinks "lefties" don't challenge alternative views but, when an alternative view, like his badly disguised homophobia, is challenged he gets upset that people are challenging his alternative views and we should just let people have alternative views because it's more interesting. Minter as f**k and there it is again. If I don't agree with your leftist agenda, then their must be something wrong with me ama rite? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: Ever had a discussion with someone who has read a lot about something from the wrong books? Who decides what books are right and what books are wrong? You? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, BawWatchin said: and there it is again. If I don't agree with your leftist agenda, then their must be something wrong with me ama rite? When your only argument against schoolchildren being informed about LBGT issues is that 5 year olds would be instructed in gay sex, it's hard to engage in meaningful debate with you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: and there it is again. If I don't agree with your leftist agenda, then their must be something wrong with me ama rite? Well... in this case yes. But I presume you mean in general. In general some of my "leftist" opinions include a property value tax instead of a council tax or free accommodation for students. You, and anyone else, is most welcome to debate and argue the benefits and negatives of these points and come up with a conclusion based on these sharing of ideas and reading of the particulars. I, myself, have been known to flip/flop/waiver on certain economic arguments from a socialist point of view (which caused much disgruntlement at the West Tottenham Trotskyist Association AGM let me tell you. The other guy was furious) But my "leftist agenda" is simple: LGBT people are absolutely equal in all ways to heterosexual people and they deserve to have their atypical situation given a fair and balanced reading in the education system. Yeah, if you disagree with that there must be something wrong with you, and that something is homophobia 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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