Jacksgranda Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 12 hours ago, kingjoey said: Have Rangers got an underhand agreement with the SPFL that they get four points for a win against Aberdeen? Is "side deal" not the correct term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren1872 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 15 hours ago, bennett said: Morelos wrongly sent off costing us three vital points. McGregor acted within the new football guidelines as confirmed by an SFA hearing. Happy to help Daz. Morelos kicked a player, defo a red. Mcgregor vs celtic shouldve been a penatly for celtic. What about all the dives? Seen Jones banned for 2 games, any **** been banned yet? Whalloper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Budge wont be outdone in the statement league by the teddy bears.......... ETA - Its a good statement and I cant say any of it is not sensible Other than issuing a joint statement with Leeann Dempster, CEO of Hibernian FC, condemning the incidents that occurred at the recent derby match, I have until now largely kept my counsel. I did so because Police Scotland were following up on a number of reported acts of violence and also because of the media frenzy that ensued. Much has been said about whether these incidents reflect a problem within football culture or whether they are indicative of a wider societal problem. Similarly, questions have been raised regarding whether this is a problem specifically for Scottish football or whether it is a wider football issue. These points will no doubt continue to be debated for some time but, in the meantime, we must do everything possible at Club level to avoid any reoccurrence of such unacceptable behaviour at Tynecastle Park. The Club and a significant proportion of its supporters and sponsors are actively engaged in activities aimed at tackling tough issues in our community in the firm belief that football is part of the solution to address society’s problems rather than a root cause. It is important that the mindless actions of a few should not undermine this fantastic work. Before outlining actions being taken, I would stress once again, that this is a problem created by a tiny minority of supporters and we are seeking the support of the large majority of our fan base who are as appalled as we are with recent incidents, to help us stamp out this behaviour. I would remind all supporters that you can text us confidentially to report incidents which you deem unacceptable on 07467 918874. This communication is aimed at making it clear to all that I plan to follow up on the statement I made on BBC5Live the morning following the derby; namely, that anyone found guilty of carrying out any acts of violence at the match will face an indefinite ban from Tynecastle Park. While some arrests have already been made, investigations are still ongoing and bans will follow. Please find below a summary of our position regarding unacceptable conduct. A. Indefinite Bans Anyone found guilty by law, identified by CCTV or unequivocally identified by any other means or person of any of the following acts, will receive an indefinite ban from Tynecastle Park. The length of bans will be commensurate with the seriousness of the offence and could mean a lifetime ban. In any way, causing damage to the physical infrastructure of the stadium. Similarly, it should be noted that any Hearts fan convicted of causing physical damage to any other football stadium, will also be banned from Tynecastle Park (and from purchasing tickets for away fixtures) for bringing the good name of Hearts and of Scottish Football into disrepute Throwing any object within the confines of the stadium, which causes, or could cause, injury to any individual, whether or not specifically directed at any individual Throwing any object onto the pitch or elsewhere within the confines of the stadium which causes, or could cause, damage to the pitch or any part of the stadium infrastructure Singing or chanting of any song or flying of any flag which is recognised as being sectarian, racist or political in its intent. B. Pyrotechnics The use of pyrotechnic devices at the derby was significant. A total of 16 such devices were thrown, by both sets of fans, either onto the pitch, the track or in the direction of rival fans. We cannot emphasise strongly enough that these devices can cause serious injury to individuals and serious damage to property. They operate at temperatures of between 600 and 2000 degrees centigrade. They can cause burn damage to the skin, as well as damage to property from smoke dyes and high temperatures, and, of course, from secondary fires. In addition, the inhalation of particles generated by these devices, whilst a less visible threat, are capable of triggering attacks from various acute and chronic illnesses, such as asthma and heart conditions. Quite simply, these are life endangering objects. As such, any supporter involved in attempting to bring them into the Stadium or identified as discharging them in the Stadium, will receive a lifetime ban. C. Specific Club Initiatives 1) The Club is in the process of significantly increasing its in-house matchday security staff. They will work proactively with Police Scotland and our stewarding company to stamp out incidences of unacceptable behaviour in the Stadium. * I would remind supporters that the principal role of the stewards is to ensure safe access and egress from the stadium....and not to confront thuggish behaviour. Our in-house staff will increase our capacity to identify those guilty of unacceptable behaviour, enabling us to more effectively address issues, either at the time if safe to do so, or retrospectively. 2) Additional ticket checks will be carried out inside the stadium to ensure supporters are seated in their allocated seats. We ask all supporters to assist the stewards by cooperating and apologise for any inconvenience caused. * Some supporters ...often in numbers....ignore their allocated seat numbers, making it difficult or impossible for stewards and supporters to address the situation at the time. 3) In the interests of safety, supporters are expected to remain seated during a match, with the exception of goal celebrations. Those supporters who consistently fail to adhere to requests to remain seated may either be escorted from the stadium or, if this is not possible for safety reasons, will be identified and contacted post-match. We reserve the right to revoke season tickets, the right to purchase tickets and also to consider any further future sanctions. * When supporters refuse to sit, many of their fellow supporters are unable to see the game, unless they too stand…and some are either unable or unwilling to do so. Others feel they have no option but to stand and this simply exacerbates the problem. 4) Additional security measures are already being focused on those areas of the stadium where problems are known to have happened. These measures will be further strengthened. In addition, we are withholding sales of matchday tickets in these areas for the foreseeable future to assist with identifying the troublemakers. We have emailed all season ticket holders in these sections to advise them of our intentions and to apologise to those innocent Season Ticket holders for any inconvenience caused. Much of what is said above is a repeat of the Unacceptable Behaviour Policies already in force within Scottish football stadia. I repeat some of these policies here, both as a reminder and also as a clear indication that at Tynecastle Park, we will be redoubling our efforts to ensure these policies are adhered to at all times. We will not sit back and allow the reputation we have fought so hard to rebuild, be damaged by the mindless acts of a few individuals. Hearts‘ supporters have proved their loyalty to a level well beyond most people’s imagination. My personal objective is to help make Tynecastle Park a stadium of which we can all be proud; the most family friendly stadium in Scotland; and the most supporter friendly stadium in Scotland. By working together, we can achieve these objectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, Green Day said: Budge wont be outdone in the statement league by the teddy bears.......... ETA - Its a good statement and I cant say any of it is not sensible Other than issuing a joint statement with Leeann Dempster, CEO of Hibernian FC, condemning the incidents that occurred at the recent derby match, I have until now largely kept my counsel. I did so because Police Scotland were following up on a number of reported acts of violence and also because of the media frenzy that ensued. Much has been said about whether these incidents reflect a problem within football culture or whether they are indicative of a wider societal problem. Similarly, questions have been raised regarding whether this is a problem specifically for Scottish football or whether it is a wider football issue. These points will no doubt continue to be debated for some time but, in the meantime, we must do everything possible at Club level to avoid any reoccurrence of such unacceptable behaviour at Tynecastle Park. The Club and a significant proportion of its supporters and sponsors are actively engaged in activities aimed at tackling tough issues in our community in the firm belief that football is part of the solution to address society’s problems rather than a root cause. It is important that the mindless actions of a few should not undermine this fantastic work. Before outlining actions being taken, I would stress once again, that this is a problem created by a tiny minority of supporters and we are seeking the support of the large majority of our fan base who are as appalled as we are with recent incidents, to help us stamp out this behaviour. I would remind all supporters that you can text us confidentially to report incidents which you deem unacceptable on 07467 918874. This communication is aimed at making it clear to all that I plan to follow up on the statement I made on BBC5Live the morning following the derby; namely, that anyone found guilty of carrying out any acts of violence at the match will face an indefinite ban from Tynecastle Park. While some arrests have already been made, investigations are still ongoing and bans will follow. Please find below a summary of our position regarding unacceptable conduct. A. Indefinite Bans Anyone found guilty by law, identified by CCTV or unequivocally identified by any other means or person of any of the following acts, will receive an indefinite ban from Tynecastle Park. The length of bans will be commensurate with the seriousness of the offence and could mean a lifetime ban. In any way, causing damage to the physical infrastructure of the stadium. Similarly, it should be noted that any Hearts fan convicted of causing physical damage to any other football stadium, will also be banned from Tynecastle Park (and from purchasing tickets for away fixtures) for bringing the good name of Hearts and of Scottish Football into disrepute Throwing any object within the confines of the stadium, which causes, or could cause, injury to any individual, whether or not specifically directed at any individual Throwing any object onto the pitch or elsewhere within the confines of the stadium which causes, or could cause, damage to the pitch or any part of the stadium infrastructure Singing or chanting of any song or flying of any flag which is recognised as being sectarian, racist or political in its intent. B. Pyrotechnics The use of pyrotechnic devices at the derby was significant. A total of 16 such devices were thrown, by both sets of fans, either onto the pitch, the track or in the direction of rival fans. We cannot emphasise strongly enough that these devices can cause serious injury to individuals and serious damage to property. They operate at temperatures of between 600 and 2000 degrees centigrade. They can cause burn damage to the skin, as well as damage to property from smoke dyes and high temperatures, and, of course, from secondary fires. In addition, the inhalation of particles generated by these devices, whilst a less visible threat, are capable of triggering attacks from various acute and chronic illnesses, such as asthma and heart conditions. Quite simply, these are life endangering objects. As such, any supporter involved in attempting to bring them into the Stadium or identified as discharging them in the Stadium, will receive a lifetime ban. C. Specific Club Initiatives 1) The Club is in the process of significantly increasing its in-house matchday security staff. They will work proactively with Police Scotland and our stewarding company to stamp out incidences of unacceptable behaviour in the Stadium. * I would remind supporters that the principal role of the stewards is to ensure safe access and egress from the stadium....and not to confront thuggish behaviour. Our in-house staff will increase our capacity to identify those guilty of unacceptable behaviour, enabling us to more effectively address issues, either at the time if safe to do so, or retrospectively. 2) Additional ticket checks will be carried out inside the stadium to ensure supporters are seated in their allocated seats. We ask all supporters to assist the stewards by cooperating and apologise for any inconvenience caused. * Some supporters ...often in numbers....ignore their allocated seat numbers, making it difficult or impossible for stewards and supporters to address the situation at the time. 3) In the interests of safety, supporters are expected to remain seated during a match, with the exception of goal celebrations. Those supporters who consistently fail to adhere to requests to remain seated may either be escorted from the stadium or, if this is not possible for safety reasons, will be identified and contacted post-match. We reserve the right to revoke season tickets, the right to purchase tickets and also to consider any further future sanctions. * When supporters refuse to sit, many of their fellow supporters are unable to see the game, unless they too stand…and some are either unable or unwilling to do so. Others feel they have no option but to stand and this simply exacerbates the problem. 4) Additional security measures are already being focused on those areas of the stadium where problems are known to have happened. These measures will be further strengthened. In addition, we are withholding sales of matchday tickets in these areas for the foreseeable future to assist with identifying the troublemakers. We have emailed all season ticket holders in these sections to advise them of our intentions and to apologise to those innocent Season Ticket holders for any inconvenience caused. Much of what is said above is a repeat of the Unacceptable Behaviour Policies already in force within Scottish football stadia. I repeat some of these policies here, both as a reminder and also as a clear indication that at Tynecastle Park, we will be redoubling our efforts to ensure these policies are adhered to at all times. We will not sit back and allow the reputation we have fought so hard to rebuild, be damaged by the mindless acts of a few individuals. Hearts‘ supporters have proved their loyalty to a level well beyond most people’s imagination. My personal objective is to help make Tynecastle Park a stadium of which we can all be proud; the most family friendly stadium in Scotland; and the most supporter friendly stadium in Scotland. By working together, we can achieve these objectives. I don't think sensible statements are welcome on this thread. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 7 hours ago, Darren1872 said: Morelos kicked a player, defo a red. Mcgregor vs celtic shouldve been a penatly for celtic. What about all the dives? Seen Jones banned for 2 games, any **** been banned yet? Whalloper. The rules state that It wasn't a red Daz. A sending off by a ref who admitted that he never saw it and stopped us getting three vital points. You mean when the celtic player landed on top of McGregor and McGregor scrambled back to his feet (as goalies do) in a non aggressive manner? Only really recall one outright dive in our games and that was from Christie. Willie made another severror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IggyStooge Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 As it stood... https://lewiscumming.wixsite.com/statementleague Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Great statement by Budge and good to see it tackles the issues of songs and flags. Union flag has no place at Tynecastle unless part of some external event such as war-dead commemoration though many regiments fly the Saltire too. As much as I don't like it, it itself isn't sectarian. However it is obviously used by bigots to wind-up opposing fans and shouldn't be tolerated. Who needs any flag other than a club one at a game? And I include the Saltire and Tricolour. Have no problems grassing up the filth we see too often in our support - in recent weeks they've bottled an old woman in our own support, spat on kids and sang sectarian songs. Get them tae fck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcor Roar Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 The use of pyrotechnic devices at the derby was significant. A total of 16 such devices were thrown, by both sets of fans, either onto the pitch, the track or in the direction of rival fans. My personal objective is to help make Tynecastle Park a stadium of which we can all be proud; the most family friendly stadium in Scotland; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcor Roar Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Crùbag said: Great statement by Budge and good to see it tackles the issues of songs and flags. Union flag has no place at Tynecastle unless part of some external event such as war-dead commemoration though many regiments fly the Saltire too. As much as I don't like it, it itself isn't sectarian. However it is obviously used by bigots to wind-up opposing fans and shouldn't be tolerated. Who needs any flag other than a club one at a game? And I include the Saltire and Tricolour. Have no problems grassing up the filth we see too often in our support - in recent weeks they've bottled an old woman in our own support, spat on kids and sang sectarian songs. Get them tae fck. Why are national flags even being brought up as an issue? I'm trying to think what constitutes as a sectarian flag and whether i've ever even seen one at a Hearts match. Why should all political flags be banned? I'd argue that all the poppy stuff the club plugs has a clear political message and agenda - many players who have refused to wear one also think so. Should they be banned too? No of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 "we are withholding sales of matchday tickets in these areas for the foreseeable future to assist with identifying the troublemakers" Errrrm, Ann. The coin that hit Lennon came from the middle of the main stand ! Awkward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Get those standing thugs sent to prison! Standing! STANDING!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 15 hours ago, coprolite said: Ah yes. The doctrine of peepul infallibility. I don't think Ra Peepul claim infallibility. Superiority maybe, but not infallibility. It's the other tribe that beleive a man to be infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Would be tricky for Sevco fans to claim 'infallibility' given that their previous club fell and died only a few years ago tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, virginton said: Would be tricky for Sevco fans to claim 'infallibility' given that their previous club fell and died only a few years ago tbh. ? Infallibility, not immortality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 On 08/11/2018 at 19:57, JamieThomas said: Is there a Guinness book of records entry for incompetence? You have to imagine the lads in charge of the clandestine campaigns to stop Rangers and Celtic ever winning a trophy/game/bye kick are in with a decent shout if so. I can exclusively reveal those shadowy forces who have it in for the Gers and Tic.. Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 56 minutes ago, virginton said: Would be tricky for Sevco fans to claim 'infallibility' given that their previous club fell and died only a few years ago tbh. Not so much Papal infallibility as Peepul Infallibility..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 53 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: ? Infallibility, not immortality. Infallible - adj. never failing; always effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Falcor Roar said: Why are national flags even being brought up as an issue? I'm trying to think what constitutes as a sectarian flag and whether i've ever even seen one at a Hearts match. Why should all political flags be banned? I'd argue that all the poppy stuff the club plugs has a clear political message and agenda - many players who have refused to wear one also think so. Should they be banned too? No of course not. The flag thing is about context. The UJ or Tricolour aren't themselves sectarian but can/ and are used as such - purely for idiotic reasons. Why celebrate your flag/ culture if all you can do with it is incite/ goad other people? As to poppy, it has a clear significance for Hearts and the other teams that contributed to McCrae's Battalion. Is it political? Yes but for the most part it isn't used at football games to cause havoc. If it becomes that then I'm sure it will be included in this type of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 If you're into adult human beings having full on snotters gumming up the keyboard meltdowns (and I know you lads are), the Kickback thread about wee Budgie's statement is your Christmas come early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEETHING Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 3 hours ago, JamieThomas said: If you're into adult human beings having full on snotters gumming up the keyboard meltdowns (and I know you lads are), the Kickback thread about wee Budgie's statement is your Christmas come early. I'm not reading 21 pages of Kickback-tier discussion and banter, thanks. Edited highlights appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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