MrDust Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 No one is good enough full stop and Shankland wont make it higher than this level. If he does manage to get a move to an English club, he will be back in Scotland within 18 months if not sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, MrDust said: No one is good enough full stop and Shankland wont make it higher than this level. If he does manage to get a move to an English club, he will be back in Scotland within 18 months if not sooner. I'd wager he'd last a third of that time at any sort of higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, Iain said: Liam Smith is better than Stephen O'Donnell. Don't @ me. Half a packet of salt n vinegar flavoured peanuts is better than Stephen O'Donnell. That doesn't mean anyone in the Championship is remotely good enough for international football. Which, I suppose, in turn doesn't mean everyone in the Scotland squad is good enough either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KabbaCharming Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 57 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Maybe we should start the debate with “Championship players who could cut it in the Premiership”. By that I mean a step above Premiership journeymen. For United I would go for Safranko, Fyvie and possibly Aird; the first of these is not Scottish. And neither is Aird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, KabbaCharming said: And neither is Aird. Didn't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KabbaCharming Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Michael Tidser and Steven Dobbie could probably get a game for Scotland if the current rate of international call-offs continue. On a serious note though, Championship players get overlooked for much lesser nations than ours. As Granny Danger said, its probably more realistic to discuss which ones would have a chance at making it at a decent Premiership team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KabbaCharming Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Didn't know that. Think he has actually played and scored for Canada remarkably! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrTroopMajor Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Throwing Shankland into the squad is not as mental as some make out. Scoring goals is a habitual thing often fuelled by confidence. Shankland has been on a ridiculous goalscoring run for over a year now. Contrast that with Steven Fletcher, who has scored only 3 goals so far this season in a Sheffield Wednesday team that is on a total downward spiral, most recently absolutely ridden 4-0 by Norwich at home. Ask anyone in football how important confidence is, especially for strikers, and they will tell you that it is massive. Still doesn't mean that Shankland should be called up, but think there is merit in debating it, particularly given how much of a clusterfuck our national team currently is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KabbaCharming Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, AyrTroopMajor said: Throwing Shankland into the squad is not as mental as some make out. Scoring goals is a habitual thing often fuelled by confidence. Shankland has been on a ridiculous goalscoring run for over a year now. Contrast that with Steven Fletcher, who has scored only 3 goals so far this season in a Sheffield Wednesday team that is on a total downward spiral, most recently absolutely ridden 4-0 by Norwich at home. Ask anyone in football how important confidence is, especially for strikers, and they will tell you that it is massive. Still doesn't mean that Shankland should be called up, but think there is merit in debating it, particularly given how much of a clusterfuck our national team currently is. I would make the argument that Steven Fletcher is nowhere near good enough to lead the line for Scotland but that doesn't mean Shankland is. If we were going for wildcsrds I would look at the young boy Harper out in Malaga or Hornby who looks brilliant at u21s before I'd pick Shanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrTroopMajor Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, KabbaCharming said: I would make the argument that Steven Fletcher is nowhere near good enough to lead the line for Scotland but that doesn't mean Shankland is. If we were going for wildcsrds I would look at the young boy Harper out in Malaga or Hornby who looks brilliant at u21s before I'd pick Shanks. Issue with Hornby is that he has only actually played one first team game in his life, Everton really should be looking to loan him out. Harper is definitely worth a look, and I think that Shankland, this time next year, will be too. Just a shame that we have an absolute dinosaur in charge really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KabbaCharming Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, AyrTroopMajor said: Issue with Hornby is that he has only actually played one first team game in his life, Everton really should be looking to loan him out. Harper is definitely worth a look, and I think that Shankland, this time next year, will be too. Just a shame that we have an absolute dinosaur in charge really. If Shanks somehow scores like this at a higher level then aye, by all means! Even at that though, Scotland would rather 5 goal-a-season strikers played than 30-goal-a-season strikers. I fear he would fall in to the Kris Boyd trap of "oh but scoring goals isnt as important as holding it up" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dan Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Is Scott Fox not already in the Scotland squad? I thought that he left us to pursue his international ambitions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, Big Dan said: Is Scott Fox not already in the Scotland squad? I thought that he left us to pursue his international ambitions? Still on the same amount of Scotland caps as Antti Niemi I think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dan Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, jagfox99 said: Still on the same amount of Scotland caps as Antti Niemi I think... Ah, but is he no Finnish(ed)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmember Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 The bottom line is None Simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Who's None Simple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IainMorton Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Jai Quitongo has an u21 cap from when he played for Morton, not sure he would get a cap on current form though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 32 minutes ago, AyrTroopMajor said: Issue with Hornby is that he has only actually played one first team game in his life, Everton really should be looking to loan him out. Harper is definitely worth a look, and I think that Shankland, this time next year, will be too. Just a shame that we have an absolute dinosaur in charge really. Hornby will be out on loan in January... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 11 minutes ago, Newmember said: The bottom line is None Simple Can he play up front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 hours ago, WATTOO said: Ok, for those of you aren't aware, Swansea, Ipswich, Hull and Sunderland are all after Shankland in January, with Swansea seeing him as their "top target", as such, these clubs all obviously believe that he is more than capable of playing at English Championship standard and I'm sure their scouts have watched him much more than some of the ignorant blowhards who are making comments on here. Now, assuming that he is capable of "doing it" at Championship level in England then why should he not be given a chance when the strikers picked are all playing at this level and not performing at this level, not to mention that guys like Fletcher are now on the wrong side of 30 and on the way out ?? Contrast this to the likes of Scott McKenna who was pretty hopeless when he played for Ayr two seasons back in the Championship but after a handful of appearances for Aberdeen suddenly became a Scotland stalwart even Captaining the team !! I'm sorry but I can't honestly see any argument for NOT giving Shankland a chance as he's young, prolific, has a great all round game, he's in form and he's a player most definitely on the up................. These games are in just over a week, not in 10 years time, so I'm not sure how relevant it is that Steven Fletcher is 31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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