Jambo'ness Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just wondering if there are any decent printed details of the history of the League, or even decent internet links. I remember when Hearts & Hibs both ran Colts teams in it and other members included Postal United and of course Ferranti Thistle. Any help would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jute Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Used to be really good articles in the Edinburgh City programme about the history of the East of Scotland league but not sure where the detail in that came from. Sure the guy who does the Edinburgh City programme still posts on here from time to time so might be worth contacting him to see where he got the information from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Used to be online here but the links don't work any longer http://www.scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/senior-leagues.htm EDIT: try this https://web.archive.org/web/20170502220757/http://www.scottish-football-historical-archive.co.uk:80/eastofscotlandleaguetables.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Alick Milne. Some years ago he published a compilation booklet of the historical articles from City's programme - from the league's establishment upto WWII, IIRC - for private distribution. Other than that the only written history appears in club centenary books etc., odd articles in "Scottish Football Miscellany", plus the membership and tables are available here: Membership: https://web.archive.org/web/20170312071941/http://www.scottish-football-historical-archive.co.uk/eastofscotlandleague3.html Tables: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.scottish-football-historical-archive.co.uk/eastofscotlandleaguetables.html That website also has the various cups if you dig around: Edinburgh Cup/Shield/EOS Shield: http://scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/east-of-scotland-shield.htm EOS Cup ('City Cup'): http://scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/city-cup.htm EOS Qualifying Cup: https://web.archive.org/web/20170514022921/http://www.scottish-football-historical-archive.co.uk/eastofscotlandqcup.html EOS Consolation Cup: http://scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/east-of-scotland-consolation-cup.htm King Cup: http://scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/king-cup.htm Border Cup: http://scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/border-cup.htm As I understand it unfortunately none of the league or association records survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Jute said: Used to be really good articles in the Edinburgh City programme about the history of the East of Scotland league but not sure where the detail in that came from. Sure the guy who does the Edinburgh City programme still posts on here from time to time so might be worth contacting him to see where he got the information from. Probably done what us old school historians did and sat for hours in a library looking through old newspapers to find the stuff Years ago I dug out about 90% or so of our reserve teams seasons in the EOSL it was a hard slog. National Library is the best for this sort of thing as they have all the old local papers from the different areas. I used to like the article on the league in the City programmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Alick did publish them all in a book. I’ve got a copy somewhere at home. Will try and look it out tomorrow it’s got a bright yellow cover so here’s hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I've got a 44-page (including covers) A5 booklet he did with a bright yellow jacket called "The East of Scotland League 1923 to 1939: Draft Notes". Possibly that is what you're thinking of? It's got a table for each season then a run-down of the main talking points, cup winners, and so forth. He produced that a good few years ago, however... I can recall getting my copy by chance at a Duns game when still using Berwickshire High. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 11 hours ago, Jambo'ness said: Just wondering if there are any decent printed details of the history of the League, or even decent internet links. I remember when Hearts & Hibs both ran Colts teams in it and other members included Postal United and of course Ferranti Thistle. Any help would be appreciated. Both Hearts and Hibs Colts teams played early seventies and sometimes featured first team players coming back from injury - Cowdenbeath Reserves played when they were in the first division- others included Civil Service Strollers, Gala Fairydean, Hawick Royal Albert, Kelso, Selkirk, Edinburgh Uni and last ( but not least ) Heriot Watt Uni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Just now, Ford said: Both Hearts and Hibs Colts teams played early seventies and sometimes featured first team players coming back from injury - Cowdenbeath Reserves played when they were in the first division- others included Civil Service Strollers, Gala Fairydean, Hawick Royal Albert, Kelso, Selkirk, Edinburgh Uni and last ( but not least ) Heriot Watt Uni Match reports every Saturday night in the pink news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Postal United changed and took on the identity of 'Edinburgh City' I think. Current EC is a different club from the original one, that's in no way intended as a slight, great to see the history of the cub acknowledged by the new club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 4 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: I've got a 44-page (including covers) A5 booklet he did with a bright yellow jacket called "The East of Scotland League 1923 to 1939: Draft Notes". Possibly that is what you're thinking of? It's got a table for each season then a run-down of the main talking points, cup winners, and so forth. He produced that a good few years ago, however... I can recall getting my copy by chance at a Duns game when still using Berwickshire High. That’s the one Hibee ! Need to try and find it tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo'ness Posted October 25, 2018 Author Share Posted October 25, 2018 18 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: Alick Milne. Some years ago he published a compilation booklet of the historical articles from City's programme - from the league's establishment upto WWII, IIRC - for private distribution. Other than that the only written history appears in club centenary books etc., odd articles in "Scottish Football Miscellany", plus the membership and tables are available here: Membership: https://web.archive.org/web/20170312071941/http://www.scottish-football-historical-archive.co.uk/eastofscotlandleague3.html Tables: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.scottish-football-historical-archive.co.uk/eastofscotlandleaguetables.html That website also has the various cups if you dig around: Edinburgh Cup/Shield/EOS Shield: http://scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/east-of-scotland-shield.htm EOS Cup ('City Cup'): http://scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/city-cup.htm EOS Qualifying Cup: https://web.archive.org/web/20170514022921/http://www.scottish-football-historical-archive.co.uk/eastofscotlandqcup.html EOS Consolation Cup: http://scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/east-of-scotland-consolation-cup.htm King Cup: http://scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/king-cup.htm Border Cup: http://scottish-football-historical-archive.co.nf/border-cup.htm As I understand it unfortunately none of the league or association records survive. Cheers HJ. Plenty of stuff here to dig into! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 8 hours ago, RobM said: Postal United changed and took on the identity of 'Edinburgh City' I think. Current EC is a different club from the original one, that's in no way intended as a slight, great to see the history of the cub acknowledged by the new club. They consider themselves to be the original club as the non-playing operation continued after 1955 and merged with Postal United some 31yrs later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 On 10/24/2018 at 22:43, Ford said: Both Hearts and Hibs Colts teams played early seventies and sometimes featured first team players coming back from injury - Cowdenbeath Reserves played when they were in the first division- others included Civil Service Strollers, Gala Fairydean, Hawick Royal Albert, Kelso, Selkirk, Edinburgh Uni and last ( but not least ) Heriot Watt Uni It was actually the seasons before and after our 1st division season of 70=71 that our reserves played in the EOSL in the 1st division season we played in the SFL reserve league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 On 10/24/2018 at 22:45, Ford said: Match reports every Saturday night in the pink news When I was researching our time in the league the biggest bug bear was when us or an opponent scored after the boy had to phone in his copy for the Pink, although sometimes it would make it onto the stop press on the back page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 00:32, RobM said: Postal United changed and took on the identity of 'Edinburgh City' I think. Current EC is a different club from the original one, that's in no way intended as a slight, great to see the history of the cub acknowledged by the new club. City fans won't like that one as HJ says On 10/25/2018 at 09:32, HibeeJibee said: They consider themselves to be the original club as the non-playing operation continued after 1955 and merged with Postal United some 31yrs later. Its a bit of a grey area I suppose the Social club continued in Baxter Place during the time without a team so the name was always there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, cowdenbeath said: When I was researching our time in the league the biggest bug bear was when us or an opponent scored after the boy had to phone in his copy for the Pink, although sometimes it would make it onto the stop press on the back page To digress for a second that's apparently why EOSL + East Junior games kick-off at 2:30pm and not 3pm: at some point in history the Pink decided it wanted an extra 30mins for non-league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo'ness Posted October 27, 2018 Author Share Posted October 27, 2018 18 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: To digress for a second that's apparently why EOSL + East Junior games kick-off at 2:30pm and not 3pm: at some point in history the Pink decided it wanted an extra 30mins for non-league. What? Nothing to do with failing light and no floodlights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Nope - indeed it's doesn't work like that anyway as unlit games are at 2pm from November-January, and could kickoff at 3pm for most of the rest of the season (as indeed they do in the South of Scotland League). Plus it would've varied before BST was invented, during the double BST experiment, etc. I forget when it apparently occurred - a long time ago - but that was certainly the reason given for it being 30mins earlier than the Scottish League. If you want to totally blow your mind the traditional 3pm kickoff in the Scottish League isn't original either. Over time it became established as 3:30pm - with earlier kickoffs either side of the festive period albeit they played in much poorer light than would be tolerated today - but 3pm was gradually introduced from 1920 after an appeal by the Scottish Daily Newspaper Society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 26/10/2018 at 15:14, cowdenbeath said: It was actually the seasons before and after our 1st division season of 70=71 that our reserves played in the EOSL in the 1st division season we played in the SFL reserve league. Must have been season 71/72 - remember playing against strong side containing guys with first team experience e.g. Billy McGann, Frank Harper and Davie Marshall - also remember scoring from penalty but getting gubbed at home - also remember playing them at Central Park where also got gubbed playing for Bo'ness Academy v Beath High School ( prob 1964/5 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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