JamieThomas Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 As long as no one calls me liberal, I'm fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 6 hours ago, BawWatchin said: A soulless barn in Aberdeen. That sounds about right. It’s the one where they filmed the moon landings m8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I agree - and I think the only beneficiaries are folk on the right of politics. My 16 year old niece is quite political but it's all identity stuff - and that's worrying. Could be worse. My 13 year old sister is "non binary" (whatever the **** that means) and demands to be called Leo from now on. These are the only two posts relating to teenagers. It’s good that these young LGBTQ teens have supportive adults in their lives.You appear to have a sly dig which takes aim at more than one poster.I'd appreciate if you didn't lump me in with whatever the f**k bawwatchin is tyring to do on this thread. Feel free to point out which part of my post you disapprove of. I wasn’t but looking at your post I have a few questions. 1. Where should trans women seeking refuge go to? 2. Why shouldn’t people be allowed to self-ID? 3. Should trans people have to pay for the privilege of being recognised by the state as the gender they are? 4. Are trans people mentally ill and thus require a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to get their gender legally recognised? And then ask a series of questions about topics pretty unrelated to my post. I don't actually know where I stand with any of these particular areas. To repeat, my issue here is with the shutting down of debate. The newsnight section from (I think) Friday night is a good case in point. Transgender activists were apparently refusing to take part in the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieThomas Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 People who want to "debate" are invariably right wing btw. "I hate people who aren't white" isn't a viewpoint to be "debated". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 The assumption in the original question is flawed. There isn't one right and one left. There are many axes and people' position on any one of them isn't always consistent. For example, on the authoritarian- liberal axis, the right is traditionally at the authoritarian end. There are plenty authoritarian lefties (eg; most of "new" labour, except blair who was a tory) and some liberal tories. When you throw more complex issues, like diversity and identity in, it gets harder to know what the left and right position is. I'd say there is no clear left or right on burqa rights, for example. I don't think people can "be" one wing or the other. It depends on the topic in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 hours ago, BawWatchin said: The jews are whiter than white and have no history (previously, or current) of committing atrocities on any level. They have always been victims and victims only.To suggest otherwise makes you a far right nazi sympathizer who is directly responsible for the holocaust. You might not be that far away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 11 hours ago, BawWatchin said: The jews are whiter than white and have no history (previously, or current) of committing atrocities on any level. They have always been victims and victims only. To suggest otherwise makes you a far right nazi sympathizer who is directly responsible for the holocaust. One of the stupidest posts I’ve seen on the politics thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I'm an economic Marxist but socially Liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bully Wee Villa said: I'm an economic Marxist but socially Liberal. Because collectivism and telling people how to spend their money has traditionally made for a liberal society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 No but what about issues relating to sport - or women's refuge centres? I'm actually not sure whether people should be able to self certify their gender. But I don't take well to arseholes (just to be clear, not welshy) shutting down debate, and preventing folk like Germaine Greer from voicing her opinion. I've also got a problem with how much coverage some of these issues are getting in the media. BBC news website is beyond ridiculous these days. And then ask a series of questions about topics pretty unrelated to my post. I don't actually know where I stand with any of these particular areas. To repeat, my issue here is with the shutting down of debate. The newsnight section from (I think) Friday night is a good case in point. Transgender activists were apparently refusing to take part in the debate. You’ve said them here? I’m interested to know what you think and the last two questions follow on from doubts you’ve raised.Many trans women don’t want to debate the validity of their existence every single day with people who characterise them as mentally ill rapists and I don’t blame them. I couldn’t begin to imagine how mentally draining it is. If you want to hear the thoughts of trans activists on these issues then I would recommend Paris Lees, Shon Faye and Munroe Bergdorf as good prominent media figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehvlb Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 actually not sure where i sit in the spectrum. I welcome immigrants I welcome asylum seekers I think disabled peole should be well looked after i think unemployed people should work for their benefits i think minor criminals should be put to work in the community i think MP's should have their pay capped i agree with the bevvy levvy i think parents should be held responsible for the behavour of their kids i agree with higher corporation tax i agree with a CEO pay ratio cap bit of a mismash tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, tehvlb said: i think unemployed people should work for their benefits Then they're not unemployed and should therefore be paid a fair working wage, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehvlb Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Then they're not unemployed and should therefore be paid a fair working wage, no? i dont think they should work full time. I think they could work a couple of hours a day litter picking or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilScotsman Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, tehvlb said: i dont think they should work full time. I think they could work a couple of hours a day litter picking or something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_guarantee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, tehvlb said: i dont think they should work full time. I think they could work a couple of hours a day litter picking or something. Do you think unemployment is the fault of the unemployed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehvlb Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Do you think unemployment is the fault of the unemployed? no *Edit* Not for the majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I am an anarchist/libertarian apparently. It's an American quiz.https://www.thequiz.com/this-quick-quiz-will-tell-you-if-youre-left-wing-or-right-wing/That quiz was a lot of shite, I answered that I supported bigger government universal healthcare, state run prisons and apparently that makes me an anarchist.I have some views on health, education, immigration etc which are firmly in the left wing, I also hold other views on crime (not the cause of crime but rather punishment for violent offences etc) which are firmly in the right. I dont believe any one ideology has got the answer to everything and we have to take the best aspects and ideas to arrive at something that works for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Nah, I'm shite at football and have never played on any wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Do you think unemployment is the fault of the unemployed? Difficult question, in the main its the fault of those who fucked up the economy, ie not the unemployed, however there are those who simply can’t be arsed, they are in the minority and are portrayed as a majority of the unemployed by the media to create apathy etc towards this section of society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefan27 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Apparently I'm very left wing, but also very Libertarian. So, seize the means of production. But only if you want to. Edit: this is from a few years ago, presumably Labour would be further to the left now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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